National Gun Buy Back Act

how about a groupbuy for a few thousand m71/84s from that mountain of rust in Russia.



centerfiresystems.com gets them in every so often for this very purpose, $5-$10 per rifle, no FFL required. If we can get hundreds of members to take a pair each to every "buy back" in every city, and assuming the $100 per rifle going rate, we would be able to possibly reclaim hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars, to finance regular THR shoots, gun safety and CCW classes, and bankroll a fund for those of us with FFLs to scout the crowd and buy up all the nice stuff to be sold, auctioned at pro-gun fundraisers, featured in Oleg's work, or given away as prizes. http://www.southernohiogun.com/nondeal.htm

how about a groupbuy for a few thousand m71/84s from that mountain of rust in Russia.



centerfiresystems.com gets them in every so often for this very purpose, $5-$10 per rifle, no FFL required. If we can get hundreds of members to take a pair each to every "buy back" in every city, and assuming the $100 per rifle going rate, we would be able to possibly reclaim hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars, to finance regular THR shoots, gun safety and CCW classes, and bankroll a fund for those of us with FFLs to scout the crowd and buy up all the nice stuff to be sold, auctioned at pro-gun fundraisers, featured in Oleg's work, or given away as prizes. http://www.southernohiogun.com/nondeal.htm

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while i love the idea, can we all say "conspiracy to defraud the government"

You know what is the worst part?

We are essentially paying for the "buy "back"" programs.

hey great I have 3 shotguns worth less than $70 a piece and most of an old mosin m44 that I got for free sitting around. that would be so funny to turn them in then after I have my money as I'm leaving tell them they just gave me double what those legal guns are actually worth and that I'm taking my $400 and buying a new shotgun, or at least some ammo for my 20 other guns.

I wouldn't actually say that, I'd do it, just not tell them.

The government will always have the last laugh with taxes until we deny them the ability. The more people who turn in fake zip guns or buy $10-15 guns to turn in for $50, the feds will just raise our taxes to pay for it. They will never just make do with less of our money, or just let us keep more of our money. As soon as they know they can have X amount of money, they will never drop below that. If we find some way to get a certain amount back, they will just find a way to recoup the loss plus some extra.

Every dollar the feds play around with is mine and yours. They have no money of their own.

That's a pretty impressive bill. Too bad the person who introduced it can't vote for it.

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So glad the Constitution at least protects us somewhat from her.

Jesus H F'in Christ. Wow, I am really stressing out over the whole wave of anti-gun, gun banning stuff being proposed lately (you know that's what they have to have originally intended when they thought this up). These people are pushing pretty d@mn hard, they seem to have plenty of friends in the media, hollywood, etc to push this agenda. I'm honestly starting to think in the next year or 2 we face serious risk of our 2A rights being diminished horribly or eliminated altogether over a several year period. I mean, everyone thinks it could never happen, but look at England. I honestly think we should charge some of these friggin people with treason, throw the F'in book at 'em.............I mean they are attacking the US in a way considering they are slowly trying to disarm us. Obviously facts and the truth don't work as I've clearly heard plenty of politicians and media individuals bald face lie about many things in regards to firearms, even when confronted and disproved. I mean, how should we impress on these people that what they are doing is simply not okay and will not be tolerated. A 25 year federal jail sentence sounds like a good one to me. Okay, that's enough ranting for today. Someone tell me there is some hope for the future because this stuff is really starting to get me down.

I've heard that many a gangbanger will actually take an old, broken gun there, get the money for it(if they do give money) and then use that cash to buy a new, working gun on the street.

So if that is true then this act could be called the Violent Criminal Rearming Act or VCRA.

Well, here's an opportunity for us to demand that the bill be changed to include:

"Buybacks are to be funded by the public auction of all firearms turned in."

Simply make it a requirement for police departments: If you want this money, you have to sell the firearms from the buyback.

The Deer Hunter said:

You know what is the worst part? We are essentially paying for the "buy "back"" programs.

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taurusowner said:

Every dollar the feds play around with is mine and yours. They have no money of their own.

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Deerhunter gets it. Taurusowner gets it. Everyone loses. The source of funds is your future income. Everyone with plans to earn any of that should be up in arms about buy "back" programs like this (pun intended).

The bill calls for $100MM of funds to be "appropriated". Now there's an appropriate word. Look it up.

We pay for it more than once.

Criminal breaks into our homes to steal our guns. We pay.
Uses said gun to commit any number of crimes. We pay.
Turns weapon in to a "buyback" for a nice chunk of money. We pay.
Takes said money and goes out and buys drugs or a new gun. We pay.
Gets busted and we get to pay again to jail this dirtbag.

Then we get to hear about how successful the program is and how it has taken x amount of guns off the streets and we are now so much safer. What BS.

Most of these "buyback" programs are on a "no questions asked" basis. Sell the gun, pick up the money, and wave a cheery farewell to the beaming officer who handled the transaction and congratulates you on your good citizenship.

For the criminal with any sense at all there's no better way to dispose of a firearm he has used in a crime.

Ms. Norton wants to fund a gun laundering scheme.

And remember when contacting editors and politicos the U.S. Dept of Public Health Services states:

"Gun buyback programs are ineffective and do not reduce gun violence in communities"

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/youthviolence/surgeongeneral/SG_Site/chapter5/sec5.asp

It doesnt work but we're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money to do it anyway, people will think it sounds good.
Unfreakin believable...no I take that back, it is quite believable.

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh The government doesn't have any money.
they take mine and give it to other people. they take yours and do the same.
I wish people had to write a check every year for the total amount of money the "government" takes from you then send it in. that would not be as painless
as the old withholding.

So basically we can afford to give out grants to buy back programs, and LEs who request money for it, but we can't give out healthcare and the economy is broke?

This bill is more handouts from an already broke government.

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I wish people had to write a check every year for the total amount of money the "government" takes from you then send it in. that would not be as painless as the old withholding.

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Most likely that would not be possible, since government spending is not limited by tax revenue. There is a debt ceiling, but there is no limit to how much it can be raised. The debt ceiling was raised to $9 million million last year but it's already exceeded that. So there is effectively no limit.

The government cannot meet its expenses, including debt service, through tax revenue. This $100MM bill is no different.

You think withholding is painless? Bah!

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In assessing applications for grants under this Act, the Secretary shall give greater weight to the incidence of gun violence and the need to reduce the availability of guns in the jurisdictions involved than to any other factors.
What exactly is this part supposed to mean?

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It means that D.C.– the bill's sponsor's home town – will get preferential treatment in awarding federal $ because it's so torn up with crime.

I'll tell you what, my guns are for sale, but no government can't afford them. My sig line should let you know my sympathies to our .gov types.

What is a "Gun Buy back" program? I mean, when you say that you are going to "Buy it back" it would imply that you owned it in the first place. This is really just a Firearms Purchase Program. The government has never owned these weapons and has virtually NO authority in the matter, so it cannot rightly be called a "buy back program". This isn't stock issued by a company and sold to an individual and later RE-purchased by the company.

Shadow1198

charge some of these friggin people with treason

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What is the penalty for treason again?

What is the penalty for treason again?

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[rant on] Punishable by death, 5 years or more in prison, $10,000 or more fine and shall be incapable of holding any office in the US. Death is too harsh IMO. However, according to the 2A, we all have the rights to own firearms and to be able to defend ourselves. More than just a constitutional right, I consider that to be a very basic human right, which is part of the basis this country was originally founded on in the first place. If we can't even defend ourselves, we might as well stop calling ourselves Americans. Assuming the SC upholds Heller and declares this right constitutional, I personally think anyone further threatening it really should be punished. I personally see people trying to take away my very basic right to defend myself, and in conjunction my right to simply LIVE as a very hostile act(no guns = inviting crime upon the American people).

Sorry, I realize this is OT, however I also personally see things such as exorbitant funding for buyback programs as an endgame towards facilitating the elimination of privately owned firearms. Think about it, with the logistical side of things taken care of, it would be a lot easier for the anti's to say "Look, we already have these programs in place to handle a gun ban, so it won't cost us much more money". If someone doesn't want their firearms any more just friggin sell them on the market or at a dealer rather than getting pennies on the dollar, and save us godd@mn taxpayers $100,000,000. [/rant off]

This legislation won't go anywhere. It's been introduced by Delegate Norton and it has 0 co-sponsors. Been that way since October.

my neighbor comes over here and gives me unfixable guns he comes accross. If this passes, I'll give them back to him and let him make some cash. I can't afford to be seen at a gun buyback being a CHL instructor and all.

Mr Rogers wants to know, can you all say 'slush fund', very good, now hide your piggy banks.

I never see Glocks or Kahns or any kind of semi the BGs really use handed in for gun buy-backs. You'd think the cops and pols would realize these programs are useless for their intended purpose.