International Gun Registry Plan Now In Motion

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/29/europe/union.php
International Herald Tribune"
EU legislators push tougher gun controls
By Dan Bilefsky
Thursday, November 29, 2007

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BRUSSELS: Against the backdrop of deadly school shootings in Finland and Germany, European Union legislators Thursday overwhelmingly backed tough new gun control rules they said they hoped would prevent Europe from becoming a gun-friendly culture like the United States.
Under the new rules, hammered out in 18 months of negotiations between the European Parliament, national governments and gun advocates, individuals aged 18 and over will be able to buy and own a firearm, provided they are not deemed a threat to public safety. Individuals under 18 will only be able to obtain a gun for hunting or target shooting under the supervision of a licensed adult.
To plug holes in the current system, in which the registration of guns is not consistent across the 27-member bloc, each member state will be obliged to set up a computerized data base of firearms, including details about their model, caliber, serial number and the names and addresses of both the seller and the buyer. The data must be kept by authorities for at least 20 years.
European legislators of all political stripes said the new rules were essential to prevent Europe from embracing the gun culture of the United States, where the right to bear arms is written in the Constitution.
"We in Europe have a different culture than in the United States and we do not consider the freedom to buy weapons a human right," said Gisela Kallenbach, a German member of the European Parliament from the Green group, who helped draft the proposed law. "All European cows are registered Europe-wide, so why not guns, if it can save lives? Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed."
Alexander Alvaro, a legislator from the Parliament's Liberal group, which champions maximum civil liberties for individuals, added that the group drew the line at the right to bear arms.
"Europe does not want to follow the route of the U.S., where it is too easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands," he said.
The parliamentary vote took place less than a month after an 18-year-old student went on a rampage in a school in southern Finland, killing eight people. In Finland, there are 1.6 million registered guns in a country with a population of 5.3 million people.
Germany has had five school shootings in the past seven years. German police recently claimed to have foiled a plot by some students to carry out a massacre at a school near Cologne. Germany raised the age for owning recreational firearms to 21 from 18 after a massacre in a school in Erfurt in 2002 in which a 19-year-old man killed 13 teachers, 2 former classmates and a policeman, before committing suicide.
The incidence of gun ownership differs widely across the EU. Currently, there are 36 firearms per 100 people in Cyprus and 32 in Sweden, according to a Geneva-based research group, the Small Arms Survey. At the bottom of the scale is Poland with one weapon per 100 people, the Netherlands with 3 and Estonia and Ireland with 9.
Legislators said the new rules had been given impetus by a recent disturbing trend in Europe by which replica handguns that fire blanks were being purchased by criminal gangs, who then convert them into lethal weapons.
Under the new regulations, these replica guns will face the same restrictions as conventional firearms. Outlawed in Britain, these replica guns can currently be purchased in EU countries like Germany and Lithuania without a permit for as little as €100, about $150.
The police in Manchester, which has experienced recent crimes using these converted weapons, said almost half the illegal guns they seized were converted replica weapons. In October 2005, a convenience store owner was nearly killed by armed robbers who had converted a flare gun to fire real ammunition.
Even with the tough new regulations, Kallenbach, one of the legislators behind the new bill, said that resistance by pro-gun lobbyists and by some national governments had forced legislators to water down the law. For example, she failed to push through a proposal to ban the acquisition of firearms over the Internet. To aid crime prevention across Europe, she had also sought a centralized pan-European system of firearm registration rather than a system in which registration is controlled in individual countries.
"I am satisfied with the result, but we had to make compromises or we would never have gotten a deal," she said.
Groups advocating the rights of hunters and sport shooters cautiously welcomed the bill. Manuel Esparrago, deputy director general of the Federation of Associations for Hunting and Conservation, a Brussels-based group which represents seven million hunters in 31 countries, said the new rules would mean more red tape for hunters, but would not prevent teenagers from hunting under the supervision of a parent - a right the group had fought hard for. He stressed, however, that gun control laws did little to prevent criminality, since criminals typically acquired guns by illegal means.
"There are strong hunting traditions in Europe - in France, Spain, Sweden and Finland and elsewhere - and this culture must be respected," he said. "Criminality is linked to social factors. Gun crimes are more prevalent in the U.S. because American society is generally more violent than in Europe. Austria and Sweden have relatively permissive gun laws, for example, and the incidence of gun crime in these countries is comparatively low."
He added that it was nevertheless unfair to accuse the United States of having a laissez-faire attitude to gun control, since regulations differed sharply from state to state.
Under the proposed legislation, a weapon such as a hunting rifle can be purchased at a gun shop, where that person must register the gun and prove the lack of a criminal record. Those seeking to acquire weapons such as a handgun or a semi-automatic weapon are subject to more stringent controls, including a requirement to get authorization from a local authority, which typically conducts a background check and requires that the purchaser pass an exam.
The legislation - which was backed by 588 of the European Parliament's 785 members - still must be approved by national governments, which will have until 2010 to translate it into national law.
Governments in countries with strong hunting lobbies could still face stiff resistance.
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Has him smiling from the Pits of HELL
 
Sounds like a draculian law in plain modern English.

"overwhelmingly backed tough new gun control rules they said they hoped would prevent Europe from becoming a gun-friendly culture like the United States."

uh huh...

"At the bottom of the scale is Poland with one weapon per 100 people, the Netherlands with 3 and Estonia and Ireland with 9."

Oh. And that's why they have higher crime rates than the US does. Oh, nevermind that Britian has more crime than the USA. And they think of themselves (politicians etc) as "more intellegent"...

"Groups advocating the rights of hunters and sport shooters cautiously welcomed the bill."

Right. -puke-
 
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. ... We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. ... How does one man assert his power over another ... By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is inflicting pain and humiliation. ... A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. ... If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."

Orwell was right....
 
Any society that lays down for that BS deserves what they get. Simple.

Better to be DEAD that in chains of slavery. Doesn't anyone study history?? Of all societies, the Europeans should understand its lessons better than anyone.
 
Hmm....

Under the new rules, hammered out in 18 months of negotiations between the European Parliament, national governments and gun advocates, individuals aged 18 and over will be able to buy and own a firearm, provided they are not deemed a threat to public safety. Individuals under 18 will only be able to obtain a gun for hunting or target shooting under the supervision of a licensed adult.
To plug holes in the current system, in which the registration of guns is not consistent across the 27-member bloc, each member state will be obliged to set up a computerized data base of firearms, including details about their model, caliber, serial number and the names and addresses of both the seller and the buyer. The data must be kept by authorities for at least 20 years.

Doesn't sound that much different than sales from a dealer here, except for the computerized aspect.

Gotta love how the mandate comes down from the EU, but the funding comes from the individual states....
 
I always like to ask anti-gunners to provide one single incident where a gun registry successfully prevented a crime of any kind.
 
It does not really matter whether this new law is severe or not, what matters is that it will be uniform across all of the EU countries. This is the type of foot-in-the-door legislation that bureaucracies love. Note that they wanted a single EU system:
To aid crime prevention across Europe, she had also sought a centralized pan-European system of firearm registration rather than a system in which registration is controlled in individual countries.
But the bureaucrats will eventually get the single system because it will be "sensible" to consolidate the uniform systems from the separate countries.
 
Any society that lays down for that BS deserves what they get. Simple.

Personally, I believe it is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.
On the knees is no place for any self respecting man or woman.
 
Good thing we have polticians like Ron Paul fighting to get any sort of registration and back ground checks reappealed.

It seems that they are afraid to change their culture in such a drastic way. If Europe were more firearm friendly, I would probably consider moving there.

Thanks for the article.

And TAG for a later viewing.
 
So blank firing pistols and flare guns will be treated the same as a Glock 17 9x21mm pistol?

Wonder what happens if a country, say Finland, rejects this package and refuses to pass it.

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prevent Europe from becoming a gun-friendly culture like the United States.

this is my favorite line from a news article, thus far in the history of man.

England was a gun-friendly culture, and what'd that do for them? Yeah, they pretty much ran the world for a little while. eeeeeewie. Better that they get frightened again, or else they might have as much crime as the gunophile USA.
 
European Union legislators Thursday overwhelmingly backed tough new gun control rules they said they hoped would prevent Europe from becoming a gun-friendly culture like the United States.

Hmmmm, it's not about crime reduction, but about people control.

"Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed."

Thanks, Uncle Adolf !!!
 
Why can't the EU concentrate on real problems, like eliminating squat toilets. I'm less worried about French gun violence than I am about backsplash from a bad croque monsieur.
 
THEY GOT IT ALL WRONG!

i wanted the EU to become a gun friendly culture like the US....
 
"All European cows are registered Europe-wide, so why not guns, if it can save lives? Civil liberties can be sacrificed if we can prevent people from being killed."
Funny they mention the lack of needing rights and freedoms for cattle, and thier serfs... erm sheeple.. erm citizens (get confused) in the same sentence.
 
Hmmm the term "International Gun Registry" needs to be translated from EU speak into plain english:

International Gun Registry = Confiscation Check List
 
Hmmm the term "International Gun Registry" needs to be translated from EU speak into plain english:

International Gun Registry = Confiscation Check List

Shhh it will make the cattle safer. Knowing the serial number on the firearms people have always changes whether they are involved in a crime or not, whether they will be stolen, and reduces crime :rolleyes:.

I seem to recall the Germans after taking over France using firearm registration lists to confiscate arms, and execute those who did not turn in arms registered to them.

The same was done in all of thier occupied territories. After taking over the local government, with access to all thier paperwork (which would now be a computer database) and enforcing confiscation. Failure to comply was the death penalty.

He is France's posters:
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Translated:
Ordinance Concerning the Possession of Arms and Radio Transmitters in the Occupied Territories
1) All firearms and all sorts of munitions, hand grenades, explosives and other war materials must be surrendered immediately.
Delivery must take place within 24 hours to the closest Kommandantur (German commander`s office) unless other arrangements have been made. Mayors will be held strictly responsible for the execution of this order. The (German) troop commanders may allow exceptions.
2) Anyone found in possession of firearms, munitions, hand grenades or other war materials will be sentenced to death or forced labor or in lesser cases prison.
3) Anyone in possession of a radio or a radio transmitter must surrender it to the closest German military authority.
4) All those who would disobey this order or would commit any act of violence in the occupied lands against the German army or against any of its troops will be condemned to death.
The Commander in Chief
of the Army

Here is Holland's:
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Translated:
Regulations on Arms Possession
in the Occupied Zone
1. All firearms and ammunition, hand grenades, explosive devices and other war materiél are to be surrendered.

.....The delivery must take place within 24 hours at the nearest German military administrative headquarters or garrison, provided that other special arrangements have not been made. The mayors (heads of the district councils) must accept full responsibility for complete implementation. Commanding officers are authorized to approve exceptions.



It is worth noting most of the Jews and others killed in the camps were in fact not from Germany, but from "Occupied Territories" conquered such as Poland.

You better believe a modern war would result in the enemy having a list of everyone armed, and failure to turn in arms registered to you would be punishable by death. It is missing? You sold it? It was stolen? Nonsense, death penalty.

However I think in modern times they have more to fear from thier own governments than from the governments of one of thier neighbors. They are good cattle though, and will comply to be safer.
They really are sheeple, thier government's just harvest tax dollars instead of wool.
 
LAR-15: Wonder what happens if a country, say Finland, rejects this package and refuses to pass it.
There are those that want an “American Union” for the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Considering the gun laws in Mexico and Canada, how would something similar play out in the U.S.?
 
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