Why University Cops & Administrators Don't Want CC on Campus

He held a plastic, red model gun used for such drills. Less than 15 minutes later, the scenario ended and the intruder, Mr. Williams was escorted away from the building by his Campus Police peers.

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But guns can be colored now. I hurd' it on the teleevishun'.

It's amazing after 15 minutes, the live drill was concluded with zero 'casualties' to complicate things. Aside from the bordering negligence of the college personnel, they fail to realize that physically responding (road blocks and surrounding the class building) is only a fraction of the equation. How would they clear students to safety or manage the wounded? Usually disaster preparedness drills give some artificial resistance or obstacles to overcome and usually you would want to see how well emergency crews could handle their end.

Working in the ER, we had mass casualty/disaster drills (coordinated with more tact than this) and would have some live actors help. We could also be handed slips of paper describing the wounded arriving. During the triage process, things could deteriorate rapidly (when another scenario change slip would hit the board) with different developments. This meant we had to adjust accordingly.

Trying to determine how well 'University Officials' respond to a crisis by subjecting them to this...how ironic that they may now have one themselves.
But...that's reality on the hallowed grounds of Don't Know U.

This is insanity. I'm so sick of idiots with sheepskins telling me how safe I am thinking that they know best. That drill didn't prove anything regarding safety. The cop who played crook is lucky he's not dead or maimed. Why aren't parents calling for the firing of the idiots? Why hasn't the professor called cops and pressed charges. If anyone ever held a gun to me head for "a drill" or whatever the next thing I'd do is call the cops and press charges for AWDW if not more. I'd then get a lawyer and have a nice retirement.

Idiots!

Craig_VA said:

If this "drill" had happened in a CC area, and not in a victim-rich gun ban environment, the idiot cop could have and should have been shot.

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+1000, the school should have been held responsible for this, even though it was a red gun, in that situitation most people arent thinking about the color, zumbo his arse

You think that is bad

In WA, we have a little hub of liberalism called the Evergreen State College, where fully commissioned LEOs cannot carry guns w/o exigent circumstances. You oughta see the aftermath of a "hip hop" read "gangsta rap" concert. Check out the story and pic http://www.gnn.tv/threads/29634/Washington_Riot_at_Evergreen_State_College

Remember that universities are the places that harbor all the anti-American freedom -hating fascists of the left wing. Whats worse, they indoctrinate ignorant kids with leftist ideology. In other words, our future leaders are learning what to think instead of how to think.

Shooter429

I smell lawsuit with HUGE settlement.

--Travis--

WTH were they trying to prove there?

This makes as much sense as setting off a nuke so we can test the Emergency Broadcast System!

Their fire drills must be spectacular.

Their fire drills must be spectacular.

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Hey here is an idea set off some smoke grenades and light a few trash cans on fire in an occupied building just to drill the local fire department and see what reaction you get.

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This has fail written all over it at so many levels it is astounding.
The head of campus police need to be FIRED.
The head of the school should be FIRED.
Every officer who 'played' should be FIRED.

ALL OF THEM.

A local sheriff's office got in a pile of trouble a few years ago for holding a mock event.
They placed signs on all the roads into the area, but failed to make sure that EVERY person already in the area (only about a thousand people) knew what was happening.

Where do these schools get funding?
You suppose it’s from government loans?
A government that wants firearms out of it’s subjects hands.

So much for it being illegal to yell fire when there is no fire.

It would have been fitting had a student found an opening to attack the "security personnel", and done so. It'd never have happened, but he'd have deserved it.

And the system would surely see it fit to expel said student, and possibly have charges of assault brought against him.

Down here in NC, the special forces used to play war games in the surrounding area and they called it Robin Sage. The local LEOs were supposed to have been alerted prior to this game. A few years ago (the last year it was done, I believe) a police officer pulled over an Army combatant in civilian clothing and vehicle. The Army guys thought the officer was in on it and made a move for a gun.

Guess how that one ended...
Guess why it was the last time they did this drill...

If I'd been in that classroom, I can't say for sure what I would have done. However, there may have been a campus police officer in a world of pain and me sitting in the clink.

Great time to be a lawyer.

If any other colleges think to try something as stupid as this (and follow the same protocol), hopefully there will be a lot of CCW inclined students armed with red dart guns to respond to the redgun of the bad guy.

I'd love to see the AAR of that drill.
9:07 am-- drill starts, professor taken hostage
9:08 am -- central command center notified by "bad guy" that he's dead or has given up

>says the entire drill helped university officials determine their level of preparedness<

Ummm... no it didn't. Knowing when something is going to happen does NOT show your "level of preparedness".

I'm reminded of the wargames played against alliance forces in MadMike's The Weapon...

Even though I don't carry to class because of the stupid gun free zone, I am still pretty much a student of Chinese Wushu for the past 7 years.
If someone barges into my class and holds a gun to anyone's head, I would find ways to get close to the perp and break their neck and spine, and crawling/running while crouched low and between people and rows of desks makes good distractions and also throws the brains of anybody into momentary confusion. Enough confusion to get right there in front of them, up close and personal.

Sheeple might be scared of guns pointed at them but there are certain people who are just not intimidated. Maybe impressed, but not intimidated.

That joker could have died or become a vegetable. After all the recent disasters in colleges, this sh*t cannot be excused. He should feel lucky that nobody in that class decided they got nothing to lose and decided to react in a particular way that would have made our ancestors at Bunker Hill and Fort Ticonderoga proud.

In addition to the possibility of a student being armed, what if there had been an off duty LEO in that class? They can carry on campus regardless of stupid gun free zones. I know there were at least two active LEOs in my classes senior year....

What Rachen said.

I'm actually a grown up taking some college Criminal Justice courses right now, so I wouldn't have all the hesitation of your average teeny bopper who would sit there and wring his hands.

I hope they don't try this at my school. I'll likely be charged with aggravated assault and battery (terms idiotically used interchangeably here in NC), and attempted murder too. And, there goes my CCW permit and ability to buy guns. And, my high road handle.

I'm pretty sure that if something like that happened on my campus, the guy would be beaten to death with chairs, laptops, books, backpacks, and the students around here who carry knives. Thank goodness this place's administrators know better.

Wheelgunslinger, I didn't really understand you. Please clarify.

Oh yeah, and another thing... how, exactly, is this different than some deviant posting on the Internet, "I'm going to go into a classroom on Friday and hold everyone hostage" and then doing it? Whoever conceived this has played entirely too much CounterStrike!

* The security guy had a freaking gun held to the professor's head!
* Most of the people did not know it was a drill.

And I bet the damn 'responders' had live ammo in their guns to boot, too.

So, just because the university sanctioned the event, they are going to be exempt from criminal wrong-doing? This infuriates me - that any institution, let alone such a large, government-controlled one - could 'get away' with this kind of jack booted thuggery.

I would be tickled pink if one or more of the students sued the bile out of the school and/or security company that's contracted to the school.

This is what happened in my old high school:

| October 30 2006

WYOMING, Mich. --A school safety drill that included police officers in riot gear with weapons has caused concern among some parents who say it was too realistic and frightened some students.

Police in the western Michigan community of Wyoming entered two classrooms at Lee Middle and High School on Thursday and announced there was a threat to the school, The Grand Rapids Press reported.

Students, who were unaware police were conducting a drill, were taken from the classroom into the halls, patted down by officers and asked what they had in their pockets, the newspaper said.

"Some of these kids were so scared, they just about wet their pants," said Marge Bradshaw, a parent with four children in Godfrey-Lee Schools. "I think it's pure wrong that the students and parents were not informed of this."

Officers wore protective gear, including vests and helmets, and carried rifles that were unloaded and marked with colored tape to indicate they were not live weapons, the newspaper said.

Diana Silva, a parent of an eighth-grade student, said the drill went too far.

"My child was with his face to the wall in the hallway of the high school," Silva said. "I certainly don't want anything like this happening to my child."

Principal David Britten said students weren't told ahead of time to make the drill as realistic as possible. Teachers were informed moments before it took place, he said.

"I think this is the best way to do it," Britten said. "We're not looking to scare anyone, but we want a sense of urgency."

But Wyoming Police Chief James Carmody said his officers were not aware students and parents were not told. He said his department will mandate that parents be notified ahead of time in the future.

"The purpose was to show how we will evacuate the classroom, not to assault the classroom," Carmody said.

But Wyoming Police Chief James Carmody said his officers were not aware students and parents were not told. He said his department will mandate that parents be notified ahead of time in the future.

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How about just not using children as practice for the SWAT team next time?