America's safest place, even Cops don't have guns

[burningsquirrels]

^^^ well there you go. a baton, spray, and cuffs for the drunk frat/sorority folks, and yellow tape for the rest.

 

[jws527]

Why is it that the stupidest people in the universe are so often affiliated with the academic world?

They aren't stupid - they're naive. There's a very distinct difference.

I myself grew up in a suburban fantasy land where the worst thing that ever happened was an affair between two consenting married adults, or a kid wandering off to his friend's house without telling his parents first (prompting a frantic "kidnapping" search by the parents and subsequently informed police department). If things got really bad, some drunken teenager would smash a window or engage in petty theft. It's difficult for anybody used to that sort of environment to see (even though home invasions can and frequently do happen in upper class suburbia) any use for guns, weapons, or lethal force in the name of self defense. To them, guns are a catalyst for "unintended" levels of violence and "gun control" is actually an effective preventative measure.

Mind you, I was never an anti. I was simply indifferent...an attitude that actually changed when I went to college. I inadvertently chose an apartment on the wrong side of town and quickly came face-to-face with the less than pleasant side of humanity on a very regular basis. Not the worst neighborhood by a long shot, but easily bad enough to change my entire perspective on the world at large - let's just say that whenever somebody knocked (or banged, as they were wont to do) on the door after 10 pm, I answered it with a fillet knife in hand.

 

[ilbob]

I don't see that this is a matter for OSHA to decide in the first place.

Virtually all private colleges in the country have unarmed security.

 

[LAK]

OSHA was the wrong organization to complain to. Like complaining to the FCC about the intercom system in a hotel.

If these guys, "public safety officers" are recognized (by the state) peace officers paid for with public money they need to get the attention of the legislature.

If they are hired and paid with private funds they probably need to find new jobs. In fact their most efective tool would be an on the spot walk out.

 

[drgrenthum]

This is a private institiution and if they dont want armed police so be it. I think the officers should be called what they are security guards, in which case i believe more then half the people here complaining about them not having firearms would change there minds. Since typically security guards are not trained or paid as well as police.

They are probably only called "police" because it gives a greater psycological effect on the students then "security guard" noone wants to be given an order by a security guard.

 

[jws527]

I don't know about Princeton, but the campus police where I went to school were actual LEOs.

 

[DEDON45]

Genius, pure genius....

 

[abrink]

abrink,

Would you rather have a special protected class that can do things we the people cannot? What I am advocating is that the law be applied equally. Now, if you want to equate me to a liberal gun grabber without knowing anything about what I have done for the RKBA, that is your call, newbie who as far as I know has done nothing other than type on a message board.

I agree the law should be applied equally. I'm sorry if i offended you with that post. The only reason i said that is because you were agreeing with disarming people. If we're going to win this "war" we need to not take guns away from anyone, but fight for the right for everyone to have a gun. And FYI I've done my fair share for the RKBA. Sorry... I know you're a human and not a liberal gun grabber.

 

[gtmerkley]

Its like the old saying when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

 

[M203Sniper]

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/publicsafety/about.htm#WhoWeAre

The department consists of 62 professional police and security officers and other team members dedicated to providing first-class service to the community. Officers patrol the campus on foot, by bicycle, and in vehicles. Several officers and a supervisor are on duty 24 hours a day. The Communications Center is staffed with trained and certified communications officers who answer calls for service, dispatch officers and other emergency services to incidents, and monitor intrusion detection and fire alarms. University uniformed Public Safety Officers, and Police Officers, who are not in uniform, are primarily responsible for building security and enforcement of parking and traffic regulations. The non-uniformed Police Officers, and the shift supervision, Sergeants and Lieutenants, that are in uniform, have the authority of commissioned police officers with full power of arrest under N.J.S.A. 18A:6-4.5 and are required to complete a rigorous basic police officer training program. In addition, specialized advanced training continues throughout their careers. The campus falls under the jurisdiction of several police agencies whose services the Department of Public Safety supplements, rather than replaces. The Department of Public Safety maintains a close working relationship with those agencies. Local police agencies provide information to the Department of Public Safety on matters of criminal activity at off-campus recognized student activities. Crime statistics are compiled by coordination with these local police agencies and by an electronic record keeping system dedicated to the department.

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/publicsafety/contact_us.htm

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Tell the officers to come apply for the Portland Police Dept.(OR). They are crying for people. A month ago they had a recruiting team in Chicago,IL figuring that a lot of qualified people(wanting to get out of the area) would apply and take the exam. Only about 15% of the applicants showed up for the test. It turned out to be a big bust, so if you know anyone who wants a job in LE here is the website http://www.portlandonline.com/joinportlandpolice/

 

[bobfxd]

P/U has both security and police.Police go thru the same training as any other LEO in NJ,security are employees of public safety.The union for the police claim thier officers are properly trained LEO's and should be able to carry sidearms as any other LEO in the state.Guns for P/O,no guns forS/O.

 

[Psywarrior13]

I just hope they come to their senses before a mass shooting happens there, and they learn the hard way. But then again, we don't want any of those "evil" guns influencing them to kill those innocent gunmen.

 

[Triphammer]

Issue them a couple ink pens and lots of paper. If there is ever a VT style active shooter, they will have a lot of report writing to do once the bad guy runs out of ammo.

Not much to write if you didn't see anything. If my employer disarmed me in that situation, I'd be as far away as possible. No disrespect meant the disarmed guards but I wouldn't stick around to be a helpless target.

 

[camslam]

With all due respect, these cops are either, very brave, very stupid, or hoping that their luck holds out.

Disarming law enforcement is almost as stupid as disarming citizens.

Brilliant, just brilliant idea!

 

[Shadow1198]

I mean, by default, an officer, guard, etc etc is there to provide some form of order. Especially in situations of disorder. LEO's can't do their jobs if no one has any respect for them and continues to do whatever they want, and/or even attack the officer without any fear. Take a look a England for example. There is a shocking number of officer's injured every year because criminals know that most of them aren't armed and they can do whatever they want since they are on much more neutral ground. With intermediate force weapons, that basically says to criminals, act the F up and you will be sprayed in the face or zapped with a taser right before taking a trip to jail. With firearms, they say to criminals that if you get completely out of hand and it becomes necessary, you can and will be shot (if necessary) and could possibly die. That's incentive to not act the F up. If someone still does because they are a lunatic or simply do not care, then they are simply going to have to suffer the repercussions that they brought on themselves. I'm sorry but, LEO's without guns are not really LEO's. Any idiot criminal can get a hold of a gun. If a LEO can't even expect to protect himself from the average idiot criminal, then he certainly can't uphold and enforce the law in the same manner as has been done for so long in this country.

 

[MedWheeler]

Quote:
... They also wear bulletproof vests...

If all guns are banned, including those of the police, then why in the world would they need bullet proof vests?? If vests are warranted due to the remote possibility that someone might *gasp* not follow the gun ban, then perhaps *another gasp* the good guys should get guns so they can handle that situation?

Makes as much sense as requiring someone with no car or driver's license to carry auto insurance..

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Would they prefer them to carry a flashlight to "shine something down."

Why no, that's a deadly weapon also. Remember Rodney King and Malice Green.

 

[burningsquirrels]

maybe the movie i, robot was on to something. we should just all stay home 24/7. then nobody gets hurt.

"when people are forced to stay home, the only ones outside their homes are criminals." that makes it easy to find 'em.

 

[kentucky bucky]

Hey ARMOREDMAN!

I've been "walking the yard" since 1989, but none of our knot-heads have guns! I've also been a LEO on the street and I wouldn't have stayed for one minute if they took my weapon.

 

[outerlimit]

I work a security job where we are the only ones there 16hrs of the day and we don't have guns either. It's funny and yet sad at the same time.

But who am I to question the infinite wisdom of a law enforcement agency.

That's some insanity Princeton has talked themselves into. They give the officers batons, OC, handcuffs and protective vests.. then turn around and say that there's no reason for them to have a gun? Well then what are the batons, OC, handcuffs and vests for?

That sounds like my job, minus the protective vests and until recently minus the OC.... it's a paycheck though.

Don't ask me what's going on, I only work there.

 

[Old Fuff]

Public Safety officers currently carry batons, handcuffs and a substance similar to pepper spray. They also wear bulletproof vests.

Hardly necessary I think, because Princeton is a self-appointed Gun Free Zone.

Crime statistics are compiled by coordination with these local police agencies and by an electronic record keeping system dedicated to the department.

Another waste of money. Without guns in their environment there is no crime - or at least there shouldn't be.

Cliatt said the Princeton believes it is fully compliant with all OSHA regulations and that arming Public Safety officers could harm the relationship between students and officers.

Meaning that the student body prefers to be sitting ducks for both muggers or deranged killers.

Some folks deserve what they get. :banghead:

 

[burningsquirrels]

Hardly necessary I think, because Princeton is a self-appointed Gun Free Zone.

 

[22-rimfire]

Don't you know guns are illegal on campus. What is the concern? The campus police are armed based on the threat they face.

 

[burningsquirrels]

i know. i was agreeing with his sarcastic response.