Police Find Body of Woman Missing After Connecticut Home Invasion

Yup, just do what the nice bad man tells you to and no one will get hurt...oh...wait...

Some people are like slinkies. Not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Yes and yes!

I believe the FBI keeps interesting statistics about things like this. Doesn't one of those statistics point out that a woman taken to a secondary location has less than a five percent chance of survival, but a woman who puts up a fight even if she ends up wounded, stands a much better chance of living?

Yep, just do what the "Professional" criminal says and get into the car, he's the pro in this situation and you are ammature so just do whatever he says and you will be all right.:banghead:

Article doesn't mention it but the guy had been released from prison after serving eight years from a charge of sexual assault of a minor on March 4, 2008. Less then a month ago. He's on...or was on...a five year probation.

Take that back, clicky article mentions it, just not the copy/paste version

Yup another sheep without the proper training and means to defend themselves. Good job... Say hello to Dr. Petit's wife and two daughters...

Every once in a while my wife asks why I wear my pistol 24/7. Then, she rents one of these horror movies, or she reads one of these horror stories. Then she states that she too should get her CCW. Just do it. Refuse to be a victim.

Same here, Doc. When I first started carrying, my fiance kept asking me why I felt like I needed to carry a gun around all the time. A few weeks later, we were watching some horror movie or other, and there was a serious

"Wow, she's screwed"
"Yeah. Too bad she wasn't carrying a gun, right?"
"Yeah, that would.....oh."

moment. Since then, she's never objected, and has mentioned getting her own CCW.

I must admit to suffering from some degree of "mean world syndrome" after the recent spate of violent crime in the Hartford area; I always carry outside the home but now I'm armed or have a pistol in arm's reach at all times.

Recently my landlord, who owns a small construction company, put a bunch of equipment for sale on Craigslist. For a while we were having problems with people making appointments to see items then either breaking the appointment and showing up anyway, or showing up at the wrong time (especially after dark). I got rather sick and tired of confronting people in my own driveway about their motives. I encouraged my landlord not to give out his address on Craigslist any more; fortunately he ran out of stuff to sell anyway.

Guys...

Could we PLEASE quit blaming the victims?

Blame the media. Blame the lawmakers. And retarget the effort that you'd spend gloating about the folks who are injured or killed toward educating people.

Sigh.

Sorry, but if'n you dont have a way to defend yourself It doesnt matter whether its because you are too stupid to read, or, so stupid that you believe what the media tells you, ya dug your own hole. I will point at you and say.."hey idiot, why ya standing in a hole?"

A Bad guy is just someone looking for someone who is looking to be a victim.

Well, congratulations on being perfect.

Feel superior now?

Personally, knowing how -actual- street criminals tend to operate, there's not a lot that many folks can do about it. Society doesn't teach folks a whole lot about avoiding becoming a victim. And much of what it does teach is WRONG. This person likely assumed that what they were doing was the correct thing to do. They assumed wrong.

Bogie, I tend to blame the victim in my own mind even if I keep such thoughts to myself. I recognize that it would be bad form if only because one shouldn't assume superiority by virtue of philosophy alone.

We don't know if the victims in this case ever considered self defense options. If they were antis, then maybe, just maybe, I can get away with the passing thought that they "reaped what they sowed." However, in cases like this I tend to think of my parents (my mom is close to the age of the women in New Britain). I've tried to impress upon them the importance of security and the logic of effective measures. My father tried for several years to "get into guns," ultimately rejecting them. I always stressed the self defense aspect over the sporting aspect, and perhaps that's what led to this result.

What I took away from the experience is that perfectly reasonable people who routinely take simple measures to enhance their safety, such as keeping a fire extinguisher handy and buckling seat belts, will reject firearms as unnecessary, overkill, or hopelessly mysterious.

My family is Christian, and I've tried to make an argument of degrees with them. If God will provide for you and keep you safe, then why take medicine or see the doctor? Why lock your doors at night? Obviously there are people who do in fact rest all of their faith in God's hands, and sometimes they will let a child die rather than rely on the means of men. I've made the point to my family that if God will provide in some areas but not in others, then isn't it incumbent upon you to provide for yourself as much as possible, and trust in God to fill in for your inevitable weaknesses?

For people fortunate to live in peace well into their sixties, as these women apparently did, the threat of violence was never a palpable risk. We live in a fallen world, and I only hope that more people recognize that "you gotta kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight," as Bruce Cockburn once wrote. Beyond the knee-jerk reaction, I do not blame people for coming late to that grim reality.

Hey, those "victims" had every opportunity to arm themselves as law abiding citizens just as we did. They chose not to and paid dearly for it. Their inability to defend themselves with proper tools is THEIR FAULT ALONE. Not saying what happened to them is their fault so do NOT take it in that direction.

If someone won't take a sick child to a doctor, they're abusive lunatics.

As for the rest - I'm really getting sick of the "blame the victim" mentality that's been around here as of late. I'm guessing that most of you are younger, and have never been in a bad situation. I've lived in the central part of a major metropolitan area, for over 15 years, and I've seen how the bad guys do their thing. I've got to say that MOST of you guys would likely be victims. Because it's something that is totally out of your experience.

So lay off the crap. The bad guy to blame. Not the innocent victim.

http://rkba.org/comment/cowards.html

"Our society suffers greatly from the beliefs that only official action is legitimate and that the state is the source of our earthly salvation. Both liberal and conservative prescriptions for violent crime suffer from the "not in my job description" school of thought regarding the responsibilities of the law-abiding citizen, and from an overestimation of the ability of the state to provide society's moral moorings. As long as law-abiding citizens assume no personal responsibility for combatting crime, liberal and conservative programs will fail to contain it. "--- IMHO "the great" Jeff Synder

The man arrested for the home invasion

His victim.

Very sad.
What's the deal with CT and broad daylight home invasions and murders all of a sudden? Very sad trend.Hopefully the people who do this wil fry (or suffer miserable, horrible abuse in prison if CT doesnt have the death penalty), and more people will see this going on, LEO's included, and be more vigilant and do what they can to protect themselve better.

P.S.--the above is IN NO WAY me trying to blame the victim(s).The blame lays solely on the scum who commit these crimes.However, that doesnt mean people should see this going on, say "oh well, nothing I can do", and not even make an ATTEMPT to protect themselves.

The two victims were ages 62 and 65. I am in that same age range. When I was a kid we NEVER locked the door of the house unless we were going to be away for a vacation. We never locked the car unless we went into "the city." Things had gotten sufficiently worse by the time I was in my twenties that it wasn't really safe to operate under those rules any longer ... but my brother and I could never convince my mother. She was one of those people who preferred to always see the good side to anything, and she firmly believed that "it" just wouldn't happen to her or in her house.

It wasn't that she was anti-gun. It was pure and simple that she absolutely, positively could not get her mind around the possibility, however remote, that there might ever be any reason to think that having a gun might be a good idea.

I would hazard a guess that these two women were raised under conditions similar to mine. The difference is, I've been out in life and learned a long time ago that we're not in Kansas any more, Toto. For those who, like my mother, just can't accept that -- I don't know any way to get the message across. I honestly don't believe there IS any way to get the message across.

A previous poster in this thread mentioned the Petit incident, also in Connecticut. Did y'all know the Petit's house had an alarm system? It wasn't turned on. They didn't need it, because it was a "safe" neighborhood.

doesnt mean people should see this going on, say "oh well, nothing I can do", and not even make an ATTEMPT to protect themselves.

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Doesn't mean we can't educate... If half of the testosterone-spewing self-back-slapper game-players on this forum would NICELY try to educate someone... We'd stand to gain a bunch of people every month... Instead, well... It's pretty damn sad.

Some of us are blamimg the victim. The antis would blame the gun.

Wrong and wrong.

Very tragic story.
I live in CT, and my 63 year old father is taking the ccw class on saturday.
I was talking to him on the phone last night, and he brought up this story.

I also live in ct and think times are changing quickly. when i was growing up NONE of my family locked doors. i was quick to try to break the bad habit but they didnt listen. now they see these horrific stories in the news and have at least started to lock doors. i am in the process of converting my crazy mother from an anti- to a gun loving plinker.(i've got her to say she wants to go to the range) but it'll take some time. but about this story i believe everyone is responsible for their immediate saftey. because if the situation could "change in seconds, police will be there in minutes" and im a firm believer in that, i do not blame the victim but she could have safe guarded after the petit incident and should have. crime has no boundries. its not just in the "ghettos" anymore.