AK47 variants with folding stocks

some of you guys are very fast on the trigger here (jumping to conclusions)

surprisingly few answers to his question as well.

(my apologies for not answering your question either)

Ok legal aspects aside, no one has addressed what I think would be the biggest problem with trying to conceal an AK type rifle under a jacket - the magazine. Stick a standard 30 round AK mag in the rifle and then tuck it under your arm.... and you'll have about 10 inches of magazine poking out your back. Not exactly inconspicuous.
Carry the mags separately and then insert and rack a round in when needed? Naw, this has "bad idea" written all over it.

It must be you. I dont see a problem with it. If done properly, you'd never know anyway. Oh, and what do soldiers have to do with any of this?

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Because soldiers carry rifles even the police don't regularly walk the streets with rifles slung. I thought this reference would be pretty obvious to most

Gave my advise, but I agree the Yugo may be a bit heavy for carry. The AMD-65 is significantly lighter so again that would be my recommendation. Of course your best option would be an SBR if you can own one. If you're serious about carrying a rifle around on a regular basis then I would want to be able to own an SBR and use that.

Because soldiers carry rifles even the police don't regularly walk the streets with rifles slung. I thought this reference would be pretty obvious to most

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The impression I got from your post, was that only soldiers should be carrying rifles around. If thats not the case, my mistake.

If someone wants to carry a rifle around, what makes that such a problem? Most only carry a pistol because of its "easier" to conceal than most rifles. I've carried a rifle such as he's asking about in my truck for years. With the stock folded it is easily stowed and easily carried discretely, be it in a Russian drop case, baseball bat bag, small pack, or on your person, under a mid length coat. With the gun carried mag forward along the side, or diagonally across your chest, its also easily carried loaded.

There have been a couple of posts around here of late that have been somewhat amazing me. It seems quite a few here are willing to compromise and/or concede that maybe we are not entitled to some of our rights and maybe certain things may be up for discussion. I see the fear seems to be expanding and we are still very divided.

No harm done, maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Like I said earlier I'm not saying rifles shouldn't or can't be carried, I just don't see it as being very practical. But I agree people should stand up for their rights but just keep in mind sometimes you're just asking for more trouble than its worth. Just because we see it as our right doesn't mean that others around us will including the police officer that stops and questions you about it

I don't want to hijack the thread so I'll move along now....

You got me to thinking - had to try it. The Yugo Underfolder is compact but heavy. My Galil - perfect. I pulled it around to hang barrel down with two 35 round magazines in my belt. Put on an overshirt and it was completely hidden. If I was going to do this for real I'd make a belt magazine carrier and have a quick disconnect wrap around strap to hold gun snug against my side.

The difference between a Yugo 1.6 mm reciever and a standard 1 mm reciever is exactly 4.2 oz (just weighed a Nodak NDS-5 (the NDS-4 is slightly lighter due to the underfolder cutouts) and a Nodak NDS-2 reciever on our Certified digital postal scale.

Now the thicker RPK Front trunion will add another lil bit of weight but don't have a non-installed trunion handy at the moment the Wood on a Yugo is denser so that can add a lil weight the grenade sight... what maybe 1/2 oz so in all we are talkin bout a difference of around 8 ozs difference ........... man some of ya'll needa get out and get some exercise it would seem that keyboard/mouse manipulation just isn't buildin the muscles quite enough

The only folder I would have is the Russian side folder. I my opinion, it's the only one that doesn't compromise the rifle's shootability. They are tough and lock solidly. BSW

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So where does one get one of these Russian side folders?

Thanks, Monty

Monty said:

So where does one get one of these Russian side folders?

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For a sure thing: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16849&cat=283&page=2

If you're into gambling, try http://www.rusmilitary.com

Stay away from ruseller.

Mudpuppy wrote:

Katrina was a long time ago and we're unlikely to ever see a repeat where you'll need to rely on yourself in such a manner...

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No offense my friend, but that is a ludicrous statement.

Statistically, it is ALWAYS unlikely that a Category 4 or 5 is going to hit. And yet that one DID hit. And there have been others-- Camille, Andrew, etc.

While I was growing up, I always heard about the dangers of the "perfect storm" hurricane hitting New Orleans. Living in New Orleans, I heard it often. And guess what? Everyone always said, "Yeah, but it is so unlikely to happen."

Well, when it DID hit, they were woefully unprepared-- both in terms of physical plant and the majority of the individuals. I fail to see how your thinking is any different.


And you WILL have to rely on yourself. I've posted here a lot about our experiences in Katrina's aftermath. Being outside of New Orleans, it was well over a week before we even SAW an official vehicle. Seriously, if you aren't where the reporters are, no one is coming in any reasonable time.

Do you have Life Insurance? I do. Yet, I have never died. I *have* been through a major region-affecting natural disaster where [gasp!] the government was not able to save us. A line of reasoning would say that an observed event would be more likely to reoccur. Obviously, we know that death is inevitable, but I think you see my point.




So can I see a reason for this thread? Yes.

I can also see a reason for the generator and deep water well that I have. I've seen not being able to GET safe drinking water easily.


Do I expect another "Katrina" this hurricane season? Not really. But no one can tell me that it WON'T happen. I know better.


-- John

My vote if for the under folder for a stock configuration or some of the after market folding units. There are some good ones out there. The other thing is I have a buddy who wares a Tan duster coat like in the old Clint Eastwood moves. I mean he wares it all the time. Screwing around on day he stuffed my DSA SA58C Para folding stock with a 16.5 bbl under it and you could not tell at all. I would not get a black one because all the media attention but if people are used to seeing you in it all the time no on pays attention down the road.

I do not condone doing any thing illegal but if the SHTF what’s illegal!

If people are all ready forgetting about Katrina in 2005 then does any body remember the Rodney King riots in LA in 1992? The only buildings not looted and left standing where the ones defended by their owners with gun. If we forget history, history will repeat its self.

Enjoy your day

Remember:
Plan for the worst, Hope for the best and if you land on your feet running life is good!!!

I own a custom SBR AKM and even with a 8.5 inch barrel and AK100 folding stock, it is still quite a few times larger than a handgun, not to mention the magazines regardless of 20 or 30 round capacity will stick out too far. If you want concealed carry, stick to handguns, anything outside of that will be impractical.

I wonder how different the responses would be if his reasoning was for a compact truck/trunk gun.
An underfolder might be more compact although less sturdy and comfortable to shoot.

You could also look into bullpups (PS90, FS2000, AUG, etc), they can be compact without having to SBR them or fiddling with extending a stock.

I'm sure before Katrina thought SHTF wouldn't happen either. Otherwise they might have prepared.

Attn: These statements will most likely get folks mad, but I feel I would be remissed in not saying them...

If the SHTF, I dont really think I would be trying to hide my rifle. Its an odd thing to ask about concealing a rifle, especially when everyone is jumpy about mall-school shooters. Am I saying you are one? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST! My advice (not extensive), dont do it. Why would you want to do it? More firepower? More penetration? Get a Tokarev and a whole mess of mags and keep the 8-ball (slang ) in the trunk of your car. We dont need someone saying, "well these guys online said I could" when you are suspected of attempting a mass shooting (like I said, the world is very touchy). Maybe two-three years ago, this would have been an interesting topic. Nowdays, not so.

IF the SHTF and you needed to carry a rifle, carry a rifle. If the local police get restless and harass you about it, simply point out the looting behind them (there is looting, right?). See my point? If things are really bad, I dont think the local cops would give you alot of static (unless you were running around with the rifle) for carrying a rifle in a bad environment. But then, if you were still in your home turf, then why leave your home when you know there is trouble? Who is guarding your home when you are roaming around with a rifle? If the S really gets bad and HTF, then police most likley arent going to be available or able to give you trouble regarding your carry policy (I like that ).

All in all: I do not doubt bad things happen and they happen every day. Carrying of a rifle in a fashion respecting local pressures and tides of political views, keep it in the trunk of your car/truck/APC, whatever. No reason to carry it on your person unless you have been deputized and are on patrol with local emergency folks.

I'm going to tell you what to get, and then why this is a horrible idea in that order.

Short barreled rifles are a good idea for this purpose. Larger rifles will be hard to conceal, even WITH a folding stock. Look at them.

Here's why this is a horrible idea. Imagine you see a guy walking around (even if it is a SHTF situation) with a coat on, and a bulky bulge underneath it. Doesn't that automatically make you judge him? Usually, guys like that aren't viewed in a positive manner.

Whether it's right or wrong on this forum, people out in the REAL WORLD still have the "Trench Coat Mafia" phobia. Realize that.

An AK even with the stock folded is a BULKY rifle, even if you take the magazine out and remove any optics, and a 16" barrel model is still close to 30" long folded; I can't realistically see concealing one under a coat. They are considerably longer folded than a Kel-Tec and much bulkier than an M1 carbine, even without a magazine inserted. If you had a Krinkov SBR and trimmed the pistol grip to a shorter length, maybe you could carry one under a heavy winter coat with no magazine, but I don't see any full-sized AK fitting that role. Even folded, an AK is roughly the size of a tennis racket and much thicker, with lots of protrusions. If you were in a Katrina-type situation, you'd do much better to have a handgun on your person and a rifle stashed nearby (in a large cooler, in a vehicle, etc.).

I love my SAR-1, but concealable it is not.

My custom built Romanian with romy sidefolder stock



Its not exactly compact, though it could be made moreso.

The only folder I would have is the Russian side folder. I my opinion, it's the only one that doesn't compromise the rifle's shootability. They are tough and lock solidly. BSW

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are you talking about the actual folding stock here?

Nothing illegal about carrying a concealed semi-automatic rifle on your OWN PROPERTY is there?

BattleChimp Potemkin wrote:

If the SHTF, I dont really think I would be trying to hide my rifle.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. From my experience, I'll elaborate.



IF the SHTF and you needed to carry a rifle, carry a rifle.

During Katrina, if I needed my rifle I had no qualms about carrying it. When I DID have concerns about carrying it, I carried a handgun.

I've said a number of times on these threads, I good handgun will be your compainion FAR more than a long gun in a SHTF such as a regionalized natural disaster.

If the local police get restless and harass you about it, simply point out the looting behind them (there is looting, right?).

Again, carrying a handgun eliminates this discussion with said LEO.

See my point? If things are really bad, I dont think the local cops would give you alot of static (unless you were running around with the rifle) for carrying a rifle in a bad environment.

More than likely, you won't find that LEO if you need a firearm.


But then, if you were still in your home turf, then why leave your home when you know there is trouble?

This is where we start to disagree some. We had to leave MANY times when we really shouldn't have.

You NEVER have ALL the supplies you need for a protracted SHTF. You will have forgotten something.

And then there are the neighbors. I spent a decent percentage of my time over 8 weeks making sure that my parents and a few elderly neighbors and/or people I knew had enough food, water, etc.

If you are able-bodied, you OWE it to your community to insure that those who cannot help themselves are able to get through it if you have any kind of soul.

During those times, I was armed when I was out and about.

Who is guarding your home when you are roaming around with a rifle?

Doesn't really work that way. We always had someone home when others were out and about.

If the S really gets bad and HTF, then police most likley arent going to be available or able to give you trouble regarding your carry policy (I like that ).

I have to disagree here as well. When I was out in Baton Rouge getting fuel, I ran into some out-of-town highway patrols who seemed to be ITCHING to handle something. The look of distain on their faces was obvious.

All in all: I do not doubt bad things happen and they happen every day. Carrying of a rifle in a fashion respecting local pressures and tides of political views, keep it in the trunk of your car/truck/APC, whatever. No reason to carry it on your person unless you have been deputized and are on patrol with local emergency folks.

This is a fairly good observation. I kept a rifle handy on our property-- but primarily at night. Working during the day, it was too annoying to keep up with one and insure that it was kept away from my neice and nephew. Again, a handgun on your side was easier to handle.

I kept a rifle in the vehicle when I went out, and a handgun on my person. I kept the rifle beside my bed when I was asleep.

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-- John

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Katrina was a long time ago and we're unlikely to ever see a repeat where you'll need to rely on yourself in such a manner...

No offense my friend, but that is a ludicrous statement.

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None taken, it was indeed a ludicrous statement. More ludicrous is that some folks actually believe it.

But, to the original question--I have a couple of AK pistols. They don't have the shootability of a rifle, but extremely concealable, esp with 20 rnd mags, full power rifle round, and legal with a CCW. I can hit a 55 gallon drum with it at 100 yards pretty easy, unsupported.

Stay safe and legal.

MudPuppy wrote:

None taken, it was indeed a ludicrous statement. More ludicrous is that some folks actually believe it.

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Works for me... you got me on that one.


-- John

Why not just go with an AK-pistol and get a CCW?

Is an under folding stock better than a side folder?

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I prefer the Ace sidefolder for an AK over just about any other option. It doesn't require modification to the receiver and it locks up TIGHT with no wiggle.

The ACE stocks are very solid !!!