Texas CHL No FN 5.7 Pistols

So if you live in Texas and have the FN, don't take it for your CHL test.

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I think the rational is that people should qualify with a gun usefull for self defense. I guess the state of Texas has a poor opinion of FN 5.7s.

Are you sure that they actually refuse the 5.7?

While the diameter may be "smaller" than the .32ACP, I'm willing to bet that the punch behind that 5.7 is much greater.

I mean, it's not like anyone would be stupid enough to confuse a .223 with a .22LR... even though the slug itself is barely larger in diameter.

I found a 9mm was easy to handle and aim for the test. I didn't know there was a minimum for the test. It just never came up.

Yeah, when I was looking into getting one I couldn't have used my only semi at the time, a CZ-52 in 7.62x25.

I think as long as you're allowed to carry and defend yourself with a .25 or .22, you should be allowed to qualify withone. I also think the revolver vs semi qualification was probably put together by someone that hasn't shot a airweight J frame in DA rapid fire and is still under the impression that a Glock is more complicated to operate.

The rules state that the gun must be .32 caliber or larger. More than anything, I think it's to insure that people actually qualify with a gun that they might carry, rather than bringing in their Ruger MK II .22 and qualifying with that.

Well ideally you would shoot with your CCW handgun and demonstrate your handgun skills to the state.

I do know a number of people who intended to take the test with uncle so-and-so's .22, before finding out about the caliber requirment. Frankly the requirment doesn't seem out of line to me.

We don't recommend .22's on this forum for self defense. Shooting a .22 handgun ain't the same as a gun with a little noise and recoil. Why bother to have a test at all if it isn't representative of what most folks actually *should* use for self defense?

Now if you want to argue the point of having any test or hoops to aquire a CHL, we may have a more fruitful discussion.

I agree with most of what you guys are saying, and understand why the rule was made as it is. I just disagree with it.

Why bother to have a test at all if it isn't representative of what most folks actually *should* use for self defense?

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When the law doesn't dictate what can be used they shouldn't be basing restrictions on what should be used. Of course, they shouldn't be dictating anything, but that's another issue.

Carry pistols.

Your CHL range qualification, in Texas, is not the end-all and be-all test of your carry gun. You could shoot it with anything. It's not at all related to any real-world use of a defensive firearm. I'd shoot with the "best" semi-auto you have access to and that you have familiarity with. I've shot it repeatedly with Lugers, Glocks, Sigs, Highpowers, 1911s, revolvers, S&W .44 Russian sold in 1874, Colt 1903 Pocketmodel 32, et, et. It's an easy course of fire.

Actual PRACTICE of presentation of your firearm from concealment and accuracy with that firearm is an entirely different matter and will need, like any athletic skill, addition and different training. The CHL range test isn't it, it's just a minimal test. Don't shoot anyone else or yourself during the test and hit mostly the blue and you will qualify.

In general, when folks come back to requalify after two or four years, they haven't shot since the LAST time they qualified! Pretty crazy but very common, at least in East Texas where I help a friend with his classes during the range portion of the test.

I wonder if when I take my renewal if I should use my 500 or 460 and make everyone flinch at the range

But then again i wouldn't be able to carry an auto anymore, damn the rules!

and to stay OT the 5.7 I do not believe was invented yet when the law was written...

^^^ ^^^ Can't you take the course of fire twice? Once with a revolver and again with the semi?

lawson4

Wow, what an epiphany! When you got your license you could not use anything that small and the laws haven't changed.

What other aspects of the law had you forgotten? What part os the renewel packet did you not read?

Why would you think a 5.7 would be okay if you had the course before?

The rules were written BEFORE there was such a thing as the 5.7. So, obviously, use a semi-auto of .32 or larger and then carry what you like. The caliber rule only applies to the shooting test, not to what is carried. I'm legal with my Lilliput, if I wanted to carry it. Or my NAA .22 derringer...

csmkersh, that's a nice holster, but I myownself object to the cut-out at the trigger. Less safe, and doesn't speed up anything.

Art

A really, really, big one, or it wasn't taught in my first class. The fact that you can not carry into a Post Office or even on postal property.

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Understandable since they didn't even mention federal property in the several instructor certification /recertification courses I've taken. There has been some controversy about the post office law with some saying the actual statute doesn't really say the same things as the signs on the doors.
Nobody is able to cite any case law on the matter.

Took my CC class with a sig 229 357 sig. I sure was having fun with the way shooters were jumping everytime they were hit with the muzzle blast. Next time I will take it with a 10mm.

The most important thing in an life threatening situation is whether or not you have a gun. A .22 is beats your pecker in your hand and bad language. I've had a POS come after me with a 9mm and the only thing saved my hiney was situational awareness and some help from above.

The most important thing in an life threatening situation is whether or not you have a gun.

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No, it isn't. It is a very good tool, but far from the most important thing.

A .22 is beats your pecker in your hand and bad language. I've had a POS come after me with a 9mm and the only thing saved my hiney was situational awareness and some help from above.

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Obviously, situational awareness and your supposed help from above were important enough to save you, so obviously a gun isn't the most important thing.

Do you really think you had divine intervention and if so, would that not trump even the most massive of firearms?

You passed with a 249, so compare that to most folks.

For grins, I once shot the old DPS Protocol with my NAA 1 5/8 " in 22 LR. Got a 230.

I've shot perfect scores with my Glock 19 several times. The test is rather easier for most trained, practiced or competitor shooters.

If they let us shoot with FN 5.7s, then I want a Fully auto P90 as you can shoot down Go'auld gliders with them. I saw it on TV.