AR Varmint

A little velocity. Plenty of guys use 16" barrels on pdogs. I really like my 18" barrel.

my 16" ar's are for p-dogs, and i have had plenty of success beyond 600 yards.

I don't see a whole heckuva lot of "loss" for prairie dogs to 300 yards, anyway. I'm thinking of first-shot hits, here, after you have the wind doped out. Unless you're using a rangefinder, first-shot hits beyond 300 are gonna be as much luck as anything else.

No matter what barrel length, at around 400 yards you're having to deal with around two feet of drop, give or take a little.

Also.... a 24" barrel adds LOTS of weight. So one big thing you lose with a 18" barrel is a few pounds, especially if you're comparing yours to a 24" HBAR or Bull.

This is mine and like Jimmie said, its one heavy SOB!!! I'm looking to get it fluted some day to reduce weight. It's a RRA Varmint 24".

I have a 18" (1-in-8 twist) Wilson Stainless Match Bull Barrel on my RRA Varmint upper. It has enough diameter (mass) for stability...but isn't quite as heavy as the 24". I like the compromise & don't see my shooting buddies with any appreciable "advantage" in effective range or accuracy.

55-grainers out of a 1"/9" . . .

55's out of one, 60's out of the other.

prairie dogs at beyond 600 yards with a 16 inch ar. I'm calling BS on that one if no one else will. I was born on Tuesday, but not last Tuesday.

why? once you get the drop worked up it really isn't difficult. i know plenty of folks that have done it at further distances than i...

shooting 400-600 yards isn't that big of an accomplishment.

this one will blow you away: i regularly and routinely shoot over 1000 yards w/ the ho-hum 308 win, and have little difficulty hitting targets out there.

blitzen, folks who hit stuff at 600 and 1,000 yards have more going for them than just an accurate rifle. Spotting scopes, portable bench rests, laser range finders, anemometers--I've been sorta awestruck by what I've seen for gear.

Now, a guy who says he just walks outside, sees a prairie dog at "about 600 yards" and kills it on the first shot from some casual field-position hold? I'm dubious.

But barrel length doesn't have all that much to do with the hitting, compared to all the other factors involved.

, Art

more going for them than just an accurate rifle.

Amen . . . and generally a lot of time behind the trigger on his or her tool of choice.

Go to www.benchcentral.com to see what it takes to win a 1000 yard shoot. The prairie dogs make about a 3 by 10 inch target -- good luck

I've got three friends that have killed PD's at 1,000 yards +. Now, they didn't do it on the first shot. Never the less, it was done. The 1k shots were not taken with a typical AR. Two used custom bolt action 6.5-06's and one used a Styer .308.

Remember, you're not limited to five shots. If you miss, you either shoot again or pick another critter. Typically there are dozens or hundreds of PD's to choose from.

I'm going later summer and taking 3k to 5k rounds for three guys. I'm taking a 7mm Mag for the 1k, along with a varminter AR, a 22-250, and a 25-06.

If you go to the Varmint Hunter's Assn. website, you can get info on the 1,000 Yard Club. I'd suggest you not call the members there liars.

I'd suggest you not call the members there liars.

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Why? they'll beat you up on the internet lol

There may be one that lives within 1,000 yards of you...

FWIW...saw an article a few years ago when fast twist AR's were just coming out. He was putting three consecutive shots into an area covered with a dollar bill. IIRC the range was 600 yards.

i have heard that the 20-20-20 has been done with an ar. 20 rounds, 20 seconds, in a 20 inch circle, at 1000 yds. now thats impresive!

Guess I was thinking of a cold bore shot at a pd at 600 yards proned out over a day pack. It's a ways but if you have the gear and the time on the trigger, I could see it.

richardsoll, I've read of that as a challenge, but it looks to me as though the main problem would be the time for target reacquisition and setting the crosshairs in place. No such thing as zero recoil; just the bolt travel will cause some disturbance of the sight picture.

A good challenge, of course; I'm just dubious that it has been met.

Guess I was thinking of a cold bore shot at a pd at 600 yards proned out over a day pack.

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a cold bore on a prairie dog town is a rare sight to see...

you are unlikely to be happy proned out on a dog town - very well may get ate up w/ chiggers. besides, most dog shoots are all day affairs, and laying on your belly and crawling around all day would suck. as for the trigger time... 300 shots per day is easily achievable. it only takes 2 or 3 dog shoots to take an average shooter and turn him into a great shot. and if you really want to understand ballistics, a dog town is the place to do it. you will learn more about your accuracy, your rifle's capabilities, and ballistics in a single dog shoot than you will learn in a year of 1-2 times/week range visits.

I read about it in, i belive, outdoor life. I went searching for the mag but could not find it. But it went something like this: It was a artical called AR-americas rifle, and it talked about why ar's are becomeing so popular. in part of the artical it was talking about how versitile they are and gave the name of a man, not sure who it was, that has acoplished the 20-20-20 with an ar. wish i could find the artical to give names and facts.

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Ok, I found the article, outdoor life, "The worlds most versitile rifle" by michael bane. and it reads

"Just last year precision-rifle instructor and ace gun smith Dave Lauck achieved Col. Cooper's equivalent of running a 3-minute mile-the 20-20-20 callenge. Thats putting 20 shots into a 20-inch circle in 20 seconds or less...at 1,000 yards. Lauck achieved this amazing milestone with his own custome-built AR."