Strongest Arguments for CCW on Campus

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What are the strongest arguments you know for allowing CCW on campus? I'm planning to write a letter asking the AZ state legislature to legalize it after a series of attacks on and around campus (including attempted armed robbery outside our library).

This is the article which pushed me over the edge as far as motivation goes:
http://www.kpho.com/news/17672067/detail.html

Man Asks 'Why' After Tempe Attack
'What Did We Do To Deserve This?' Victim Wonders

TEMPE, Ariz. -- An Arizona State University student who was attacked for $6 and a cell phone is recovering from brain surgery and issues a warning to others to be mindful of their surroundings.

Graham Stanley, a 22-year-old ASU senior, said the last thing he remembers was a car pulling over as he and a friend were walking home near Laguna Drive and Butte Avenue.

Police said three men, who were later apprehended in connection with the crime, were in the car. They got out and attacked Graham and his friend on a street curb, stealing two cell phones and $6, investigators said. The attackers continued the assault by kicking the victims when they were down, officers said.

"We believe, as a result of this investigation, the primary motive was aggression," said Lt. Dan Masters.

The attack sent Stanley to the hospital, where surgeons performed brain surgery. Stanley said he woke up five days later. "And then I walked to the mirror and was like, 'Wow,'" he said.

Doctors gave him a 50-50 chance after the brain injuries to be the same guy again. Stanley said somehow he's getting there.

"I now have three plates and 16 screws in my head," Stanley said.

Jovi Lemusu, 18, Sunia Tukia, 18, and Gavin Lemusu, 20, were booked into Tempe City Jail. All three men were charged with two counts of aggravated assault and two counts of aggravated robbery.

Tempe police said the crime serves as a reminder to always have a cell phone, walk with a buddy and be in well-lit areas when out late at night.
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:what:

I'm a Ph.D student which means I'm often walking home by myself well after dark (occasionally after mid-night). I have my CCW, but if caught with a gun on campus I can be criminally prosecuted (declared a prohibited possessor, I think) and fired/expelled.

There was a bill in the state legislature this last session which would have allowed this, but it didn't make it to the third and final vote. I wrote my state senator about it, but didn't know much about her at the time. I'm now actively involved in local politics and have had a beer with at least one state representative.

How do you suggest I argue my case? (may be important to note that I am registered a Democrat and represented by Democrats in a strongly Democratic district :p)
 
I'm a Ph.D student which means I'm often walking home by myself well after dark (occasionally after mid-night). I have my CCW, but if caught with a gun on campus I can be criminally prosecuted (declared a prohibited possessor, I think) and fired/expelled.
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Well there is a reason they call it concealed carry. If something were to arise Im sure the state laws would back you. Hey youd still be alive right.
 
From article: Tempe police said the crime serves as a reminder to always have a cell phone, walk with a buddy and be in well-lit areas when out late at night.
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Just take the nre, improved & safer yellow brick road home :)
 
Honestly, if "shall not be infringed" isn't the strongest argument, then I have little hope for any elected official and his or her supposed oath to uphold the constitution.

The SCOTUS has ruled that the RKBA is an individual right, self defense being one of the cornerstones of that right.

If they don't understand that then there's little hope for them to defend any of our other enumerated rights and I would start looking for someone else to vote for.

This is the reason that I am a "one issue" voter.
 
What are the strongest arguments you know for allowing CCW on campus?
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To protect life and property in an ever growing hostile society.
 
For whatever its worth. When I was going to Seattle U and Seattle Central I carried and never had any issues just conceal it and there will be no issues.
 
 
I honestly don't think there is one other then "self def" Which only goes so far, but there are lots of arguments that are for banning it. Even if those arguments don't have numbers behind them, they do have a bean counting lawyer.

money> facts
 
The fact that self preservation is not an immediately recognized right like the freedom of speech (which libs love) is appalling.

And for those poor souls that have been massacred in school shootings it is very unfair. Who wants to work their but off just to get massacred later? Paying for university is a huge investment for most people and it is wrong that you cannot defend yourself with adequate means just so others may "FEEL" safe.

Our modern society should also take some blame. I was reading this mini article in a Self Defense magazine and it said that the victims of Virginia Tech died helplessly; no one tried to resist and the gunman did not have any defensive wounds on his body. Our society has a "victim" mentality which does not emphasize the will to survive.

I still think that firearms should be restricted to teenagers, because most of the people in that age group are not rational nor do they think ahead.
 
Don't remember who said it, but basically it went something like "If you allow guns on campus, the campus will become as dangerous as Wal-Mart!"
 
The fact that self preservation is not an immediately recognized right like the freedom of speech (which libs love) is appalling
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a gun is just a tool. Gun does not equal self defence.
 
Oh man, walk with a buddy and have a cell phone. So what did the two victims do wrong? How could they have been attacked? :barf:
 
I think you are a good argument.

Why in the world would the state say that you can be trusted with a concealed firearm all over town but once you step across the property line onto campus you can't be trusted anymore? (Of course, I guess their response could be that maybe they shouldn't trust you all around town.)

I think the obvious argument would be to create a list of all the university shootings with a short description of each. Then ask anybody that wants to deny your right to CCW if they can guarantee this sort of thing would never happen at ASU. THIS STUFF HAPPENS! And people still refuse to believe that it can happen at their university.:banghead:

Another point, Utah allows CCW on campus by permit holders and hasn't had any problems with them. (That I know of.) Every year that ticks by without an incident of a permit holder causing trouble with his gun adds that much more evidence to confound the argument against them.
 
have a bigger cell phone and/or a bigger buddy.
ask for a ride home with the deans chauffeur--he'll understand.
 
You may be approaching this from the wrong end.

The reason for CCW is defense of self and others. But you will change neither minds nor the law through arguments. The people you are trying to convince already have their minds made up. Their ideas about guns are now a part of who they are. They will use denial to retain their current ideas. They will simply shake their heads and tell you that guns will put you at risk. They know this, you have been misled.

If you continue to argue with them they will use displacement to allow them to picture you as the problem.

Heinlein wrote that elections are won by identifying the people who already support you and getting them to the polls to vote. You are aware of what ACORN is doing. That is the way to win elections.

The only way to change your congressman's mind is to change your congressman. You can only change your school administration by changing your school.
 
How do you suggest I argue my case? (may be important to note that I am registered a Democrat and represented by Democrats in a strongly Democratic district )
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If there are a lot of gun owners in your district, you argue the case using votes. Eventually some pro-gun Democrats will run, if they keep losing because of the gun control issue.
 
For me, it's the email reports that are sent to me through my campus email system.

Everytime they have an aggravated assault, rape, etc on or near campus, in which a student is involved, it is reported and sent to everyone. Details vary from sharp to vague, but all are tragic.

Everytime I see them, I think that it could have been stopped.
 
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