Strongest Arguments for CCW on Campus

[GeezerwithGuns]

It's just me, but if it was my choice, I'd much rather be "expelled" than "expired."

 

[XD-40 Shooter]

The biggest compelling reason in my view, is the fact that criminals seek out "gun free zones". In the case of VT, it took the police close to 10 minutes to get on scene, then they stayed outside the assess the situation, while people inside were being shot. I thought it was striking that none of the students attempted to rush the shooter, or tackle him, especially during the 10 seconds or so it would take him to reload. VT, as well as many other institutions in our society have taught people to cooperate, do not resist, just cower down and wait to die. Another good case is the Omaha mall shooting last year, took the police 5 minutes to get there, meanwhile people were dying. The Brady Bunch and the rest of the uneducated, fear mongering, guns are evil crowd, don't want you to be able to defend yourself. Instead of going after criminals, they would rather take away guns from law abiding citizens and use mass public shootings as political propoganda. They are truly disgusting people, have a socialist mindset, and believe the govt will save us from any life threatening situation. Nothing is further from the truth.

 

[Rossshady120]

the thing thats get to me about VT is that students were allowed to carry it states in VA law that students are allowed to carry on campus with a permit. but VT public safety said we don't want guns on campus and thinking that taking guns away from student would make it safier when in fact it was the downfall of many lives the person who did this need to be sued or something or better yet be tried in a court of law.

 

[RaspberrySurprise]

a gun is just a tool. Gun does not equal self defence.

They work much better than a stick or harsh words though. Danger is not always avoidable, sometimes it comes to you.

 

[Rossshady120]

***? a gun makes it equal its called a eqauilizer a old man whos in a wheel chair can shoot a bodybuilder therefor a gun makes it equal.

 

[Artiz]

^^Agreed.

 

[DeathByCactus]

With the growing economic crisis it is more needed than before to have the right to be able to defend ourselves. The second amendment states that there shall be no infringement of this right. I have seen robberies spike here in Houston and hopefully my CHL will arrive soon.

More people will be undergoing hard times, more people will be out committing robberies to feed their drug habits/bills when they get laid off and have to feed their families or themselves.

I would also recommend checking out the students for concealed carry website and try to coordinate between the head representative for your school if there is one.

Good luck to you man, hopefully one day when my school load gets easier I will be able to take position as chapter leader at UoH.

EDIT:

My primary issue is the need/want to be able to leave my carry weapon in my car. So I can actually carry to and from campus being I have to drive through the 3rd and 5th wards. Personally, I would press the issue of being able to leave a weapon in the car. After a couple of years of allowing that, take further steps.

 

[Loosedhorse]

Let's take it from the other side's perspective: if I was a college administrator against on-campus carry (by students? by anyone?), what would be my biggest buggaboos?

1. Guns are evil/only have one purpose/etc. standard antigun diatribe.

2. There is a higher frequency of suicide attempts in college. Most are unsuccesfful, but you add a gun...

3. Drunkeness + gun = uh-oh

4. A lot of love/jealousy/break-ups in this age group, often without the maturity to handle it well.

5. Over-21 students (men) lording it over the under-21s who can't get permits, creating a lower class of underclassmen.

6. If I let carry go through, and there's even ONE incidence of abuse resulting in death or crippling injury, then alumni donations dry up and I'm SO looking for a job as head of the English Department at University of Nowhere. If I'm lucky.

Not sure how you counter these fears. #1 is the standard emotional "no guns ever!" attitude that we encounter so often. #6 works because, at the present time, neither alumni nor the media consider college administrators complicent when a murderer kills college kids that the administrators (or state law-makers) kept unarmed--so at the moment it's all downside, no upside to a change of policy.

Unless...we can promote the examples of U of Utah and other carry-okay campuses (in VA?), and show that those fears are baseless--the way that FL CCW eventually dominoed a lot of other states into shall-issue once the success was apparent.

 

[belus]

Thanks for your analysis Loosedhorse, that was really useful to hear.

 

[hobgob]

Honestly, depending on your state... look at what is legal... in my state it is a class B misdemeanor to carry on posted property(college campus). however in some states it is completely legal to carry on your campus and in other states, the posted property(campus) carries no legal weight at all, in which case you could carry on campus anyway, as long as your concealed. I take my life into my own hands and have made my decision as to what my actions will be in the event of a school shooting. I suggest you do the same, and keep in mind the legalities of your county and state(they matter). It is a class B misdemeanor worth the chance of saving your own skin and possibly the lives of those around you?
Loosed.... I understand your playing devils advocate, but this is exactly the sort of mindset that needs to be confronted on college campuses. Ignorance is the ultimate cause of fear. It is better to educate those people who have never been exposed to firearms, then to write them off sheep. Thats why groups like the NRA and SCCC need to be supported so that our 2nd amendment rights are not lost to our overly liberal educational system...we must become the teachers. I speak from experience as my campus is extremely liberal and hostile towards 2nd amendment rights!