Help me pick a Rem870

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I want a Remington 870 in 12.

It will be for HD. I want maximum ammunition capacity and a synthetic stock. Parkerized or similar flat finish would be nice.

Start throwing out ideas. There seems to be a lot of models for the 870 between the civvy version and police version.
 
The 870 Express 7-round ooks like the Remington LE 870 Max model minus the stock with pistol grip.

Any other differences?
 
Oh by the way, remmies have only a bead to aim with. Very simple.

YOu can add the junk to weight it down even further if you so choose in the future.

But BE WARNED... shoot regular 2.75 shells before stuffing those big 3 inch magnums in the gun. Your first magnum will either knock you silly and stupid for half a day (And deaf too) or make you want more.
 
.cheese: King G makes some good points. I've got one of the Norinco's (NEF Pardner Protector) too. Very, very solid gun. If I had known 3 years ago what I know now, I'd have bought a truckload of them back when Dick's had them for $149. The only reason I didn't bring it up was because you asked specifically about 870's.
 
"They are made by Norinco for several US brands including NEF and they are also sold as Norinco's. "

I guess I haven't been keeping up with the times, or maybe it's because I live in California, but isn't all the Chinese stuff from Norinco, Polytech, etc., unavailable in the US since the days of the Clinton Administration?
 
BruiseLee, I may be wrong, but I think that only applies to the "evil" stuff (SKS's, AK's, etc.). "Sporting Arms" which are manufactured for good ole "American" companies are exempt (I think). That said, I'd love to hear from someone who knows more about this than me.
 
thanks guys. For whatever reason (maybe I'm a brand whore), I want to go with a Remington 870. I appreciate the information.

So, again I ask, what is the difference between the 870 Express 7-round and the 870 Max LE version aside from the stock.
 
Go with the 870 Police. The Express is simply not made as well. It seems like there have been a lot of threads here lately on Express problems (rust, jams).

Go with build 24421 (synthetic, rifle sights) with the two shot extension. Get a Tac Star side saddle that holds an extra 6 shells on the left side of the receiver, a sling to your liking, and you are good to go. The Police also has the R3 recoil pad. (Maybe the Express does, too. ?)
 
At least in my neck of the woods I found anything beyond hunting shotguns impossible to find, ie no short barrels or 7 + rounds.

I ended up getting the 870 Express Deer Gun which is a 20 inch smooth barrel and added a tube extension to get my 8 round capacity. Nice looking stock and rifle sights which I prefer.
 
The pawnshops in my area are stuffed with shotguns with 5 foot barrels.

Not a short one of any use for HD in sight.

I can take down deer at 100 yards with my rem, just not too accurately. Maybe within a foot of the heart if I had to.
 
What about if I did this:

The Reminton Model 870™ Express® Synthetic 7-Round

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and then I add a Speedfeed® III
Tactical Magazine Tube Stock Set:

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How close would that get me to it being an 870P Max:

870pmax.jpg

minus the sights and Surefire light??
 
.Cheese. the 1st pic is 25077 ($350 ish, I paid $330). You can easily get to the last pic except for the ghost right / rifle sight and the "heavy barrel".

* Speedfeed stock $70 ish
* Surelight forend $260 ish

If you have the will, you can replace the Xpress barrel with a Police Barrel ($150 ish .. there is one currentl listed on GunBroker.com)... ghost ring/rifle will be more tricky and for $$$... but if you are to go this route, you are better off just focus to locate a 870 LE instead.

Good luck!
 
Ok.

Well, then - which of the LE models have the highest round capacity without going with the 870 MAX?

I also just researched the difference between the Express and LE models. There are a few things I like, such as certain internals like the ejector being machined instead of cast.

What's the price difference typically?
 
I'm assuming that the 5 foot part was an exaggeration and that we're talking at most 24 inch barrels.
 
I should go to the shop and take pictures.

Then again. The barrels are more on the order of 3 to 4 feet past the trigger.

These are hunting type shotguns, not home defense guns.
 
Difference in 870 express and 870 police:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.

ETA:
...aaand I just saw where .cheese. wrote this:
I also just researched the difference between the Express and LE models.
 
yeah, that's actually exactly what I read. It's on the Remington website as a PDF.
 
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