Which 9mm for sub-gun ammo?
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highorder
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I would have no problems firing hot 9mm though a S&W 5906. It's tough.
With the right recoil spring, most locked breech autos will probably be fine.
Do you have a bunch of ammo, or are you looking to increase 9mm effectiveness?
With the right recoil spring, most locked breech autos will probably be fine.
Do you have a bunch of ammo, or are you looking to increase 9mm effectiveness?
Ben Shepherd
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Well, the 9mm cylinder for my convertible blackhawk handles it fine.......
highorder
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I'm sure it does!
earlthegoat2
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hehe
A Beretta 92F.
I figure anything that can handle +P+ can handle the subgun ammo.
A Beretta 92F.
I figure anything that can handle +P+ can handle the subgun ammo.
dkk73
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Not sure about the pressures.
BUT, back in the early 90's I tried some of my friends surplus subgun ammo in my (then new) Klunk 17. Many of the rounds wouldn't fire with the striker and I was told the primers were tougher to ignite, probably to reduce slam-fire in an SMG. His Beretta 92F had no problem. Good aspect for a military gun to have, I'd think.
So... Caveat emptor esp. on striker-fired guns. Since I use the P7 a lot, I would definitely pay attention to this concern.
Would be curious if anyone has any other data on pressure curves, etc., or are max rated pressures enough to compare in this instance? If the pressure curves are way different, it might be a concern with piston guns like the P7. Just thinking out loud on this. I notice a lot of +P stuff is actually very nice in the P7 and I wonder if this is partly due to different piston response.
BUT, back in the early 90's I tried some of my friends surplus subgun ammo in my (then new) Klunk 17. Many of the rounds wouldn't fire with the striker and I was told the primers were tougher to ignite, probably to reduce slam-fire in an SMG. His Beretta 92F had no problem. Good aspect for a military gun to have, I'd think.
So... Caveat emptor esp. on striker-fired guns. Since I use the P7 a lot, I would definitely pay attention to this concern.
Would be curious if anyone has any other data on pressure curves, etc., or are max rated pressures enough to compare in this instance? If the pressure curves are way different, it might be a concern with piston guns like the P7. Just thinking out loud on this. I notice a lot of +P stuff is actually very nice in the P7 and I wonder if this is partly due to different piston response.
A friend and I put about 150 rounds of black tipped Izzy subgun ammo through my P89D.
Didn't have a problem with it.
'Course, I'm almost convinced you could feed that 89 any kind of 9mm ammo you could run across (or brew up) and it'd fire it just fine.
Didn't have a problem with it.
'Course, I'm almost convinced you could feed that 89 any kind of 9mm ammo you could run across (or brew up) and it'd fire it just fine.
earlthegoat2
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If you read enough of Stephen Camp's site he insists that the BHP may have the heaviest mainspring of any 9mm handgun and has never had a problem with light strikes ever. He even makes mention of some of this Greek subgun ammo that was imported a while back that had the hardest primers of any that he had ever seen and the BHP shot it all to pieces but the glock had some failures with it.
BTW: Nothing against Glock, it was just the comparison pistol and it is a good striker fired example for this thread.
BTW: Nothing against Glock, it was just the comparison pistol and it is a good striker fired example for this thread.
I'd expect locking block and slide/frame cracks with much smg ammo thru a Beretta 92fs,especialy an older one. Have seen it personally with extreme round counts. Durable 9x19's? I'd maybe try a Star 30m and Glock 17 should do ok. BHP may ignite smg ammo but they can be somewhat fragile too with hot ammo.
I have fired UZI black tip 9mm in handguns but never tried huge amounts of it to see how long they would last. A poster on gunboards.com claimed hot Israeli 9mm ammo would quickly destroy the Helwan 9mm's they had captured in the various Israeli/Arab conflicts.
I have fired UZI black tip 9mm in handguns but never tried huge amounts of it to see how long they would last. A poster on gunboards.com claimed hot Israeli 9mm ammo would quickly destroy the Helwan 9mm's they had captured in the various Israeli/Arab conflicts.
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Back in the 80's, I saw a letter on Glock letterhead sent to dealers that recommended the use of hot ammo over the generic factory stuff, due to function problems many people seemed to be having. They specifically mentioned the IMI "Black Tip" carbine ammo, which was pretty warm at the time. It was the only 9mm that actually started to fire form into the flutes on my MP5. I dont know if it was really that hot, or the brass was not as heavy.
These days, you dont really see to much if any surplus 9mm ammo thats being sold as "SMG use only" ammo. I've shot a good bit of it over the years, and its varied quite a bit in power. You also have to watch, as a lot of it was corrosive. In that respect, you especially want to stay away from the Egyptian marked 9mm packed in the 36 round boxes.
As far as what it might do to your gun, if you use it, I'd definitely keep a close watch on it. This is the upper on my SWD M11/9mm (SMG) that didnt make it through a 2000 round case of Spanish SMG ammo from the early 80's before it started to fail. The same gun with a new upper, has had who knows how many tens of thousands of rounds of commercial and NATO 9mm through it since at this point close to 25 years after it was replaced.
That Spanish stuff was hell on wheels while you were shooting it, and it bumped the cyclic rate up quite a bit. That, and the way the wire stock cut into your cheek were an instant indication it wasnt your basic 9mm.
These days, you dont really see to much if any surplus 9mm ammo thats being sold as "SMG use only" ammo. I've shot a good bit of it over the years, and its varied quite a bit in power. You also have to watch, as a lot of it was corrosive. In that respect, you especially want to stay away from the Egyptian marked 9mm packed in the 36 round boxes.
As far as what it might do to your gun, if you use it, I'd definitely keep a close watch on it. This is the upper on my SWD M11/9mm (SMG) that didnt make it through a 2000 round case of Spanish SMG ammo from the early 80's before it started to fail. The same gun with a new upper, has had who knows how many tens of thousands of rounds of commercial and NATO 9mm through it since at this point close to 25 years after it was replaced.
That Spanish stuff was hell on wheels while you were shooting it, and it bumped the cyclic rate up quite a bit. That, and the way the wire stock cut into your cheek were an instant indication it wasnt your basic 9mm.
Landpimp
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agree with the above! cant think of anyother I would trust more than a USP
my old Steyr GB might be another I would give a thought about
willing to bet a Hk VP70 has no problem either
my old Steyr GB might be another I would give a thought about
willing to bet a Hk VP70 has no problem either
Just because a given 9x19 model pistol is also offered in .40 does not really mean it will be a-ok with smg ammo. For one, many 9x19 platform pistols were rushed in to the market in .40 without proper understanding of what it took to make the caliber conversion, spring changes, slide being beefed up,ect.
Also to Brownings credit, IIRC it took them 5 years after the .40S&W was introduced to finally release the bhp in .40 and try to make the gun durable and correct. Look at a .40 version next to a 9mm. The slide is much heavier and thicker and some engineering and though process went into the pistol.
Also to Brownings credit, IIRC it took them 5 years after the .40S&W was introduced to finally release the bhp in .40 and try to make the gun durable and correct. Look at a .40 version next to a 9mm. The slide is much heavier and thicker and some engineering and though process went into the pistol.
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