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birdshot vs 9 para

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9mm over birdshot

You need penetration to do the job. That said, A large amount of birdshot could possibly stop an attacker within the confines of a home. However if one has a shotgun why would he choose something that is borderline, to say the least, when he has so many other lethal options is beyond me. I guess in this silly scenario I would rather use the 9mm because of its inherent ability to penetrate deeper into the vitals.
 
Since the OP asked about birdshot vs. 9mm FMJ, it seems a foolish attempt to compare less effective defensive tools.

9mm FMJ overpenetrates to over 40", IIRC. Unless you're talking about the very heaviest waterfowl loads, birdshot underpenetrates.

The question, absent the distractions, is really this: would you rather have a massive extremely shallow wound or shoot through the attacker with a very small wound?

Answer: neither. Proper expanding ammunition or rounds appropriate for self-defense should be used, in either case. Now, I don't live in Germany, and I don't know what ammunition is legal there. If one only could use birdshot, the heaviest shot available (BB or larger) should be used. If you are forced to only use FMJ in handguns, Federal makes expanding full metal jacket.
 
Birdshot patterns spread 1" for each yard. After 2-3 yards your pattern is one pellet deep. A single pellet would barely penetrate a canvas coat, skin, 1-2 " of fat, much less a ribcage and vitals. #4 buckshot and above yes, anything under use a 9mm. You need penetration to bring down an assailant, in the entire realm of shooting, nothing penetrates less than #9 shot!
 
Yay! Another birdshot thread!

There's way more data (police shootings, military, etc) on 9mm. I'd trust it over birdshot. But I've got birdshot in the HD gun because I want to minimize penetration. I'm not too worried about it being too weak, but I do have some 00 and slugs attached to the stock just in case..
 
Thank you, I had a discussion with a friend of me who also was watching the "mechanik" and did not understand why Dolph Lundgren has taken a doublebarreld shotgun and not the beretta in the final. we startet talking about ammonitions and ended with this two kinds.
 
Here, I'll sum up the high road.org

HURRR DURRR, NOOO DUN USE BIRDSHOOT.

IF YOUR ATTACKER HAS AN ILLNESS, BIRDSHOT WILL CURE IT AND MAKE HIM SLIGHTLY BETTER LOOKING.

EVEN .25ACP IS BETTAR THAN BIRDHSAT

HURRR DURRR DDRURR DERP DERP DERP



Basically, it's better than a pointy stick.
 
From this recent story, birdshot definetly can be fatal close up. Three shots and he is dead. 9mm vs birdshot--take your pick, but saying that birdshot wont stop someone across a room is nonsense.

Article is interesting in that not only is the weapon mentioned but the ammo as well. Who says birdshot isn't deadly?


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6652958.html

Police: NW Houston homeowner fatally shoots robbery suspect

A homeowner fatally shot a suspected intruder in northwest Houston this morning, police said.

The shooting occurred around 9:30 a.m. in the 8500 block of Norton, near the intersection of Bingle and Kempwood.

Homicide Detective C. Elliott said the resident, spending his day off from work at home, returned from a grocery store errand to find things in disarray. He retrieved his shotgun and searched the home.

The resident found the intruder hiding in a closet. After a confrontation, the homeowner shot the suspect, who had a screwdriver in his possession, Elliott said. The homeowner fired three blasts of birdshot.

"It was a horrible experience, a scary experience," said Mark Brown, the homeowner. He didn't get into details about the face-off with the stranger, except to say he kept the shotgun for security but hoped he'd never have to use it.

"Thank God (the thief) didn't find it first," said Brown, who works for a local beer distributor.

Brown's neighbor across the street, 78-year-old Milton Brandt, said he wasn't aware of a burglary problem in the area but said the confrontation is a reminder that people should be ready to protect themselves.

"I would have done the same thing," Brandt said.

Elliott said the case would be referred to a grand jury without charges, as is customary in shootings that appear to be lawful. No other information was immediately available.
 
but saying that birdshot wont stop someone across a room is nonsense.

There are documented shooting incidents in which this is the case, so I wouldn't call it nonsense.

I wouldn't call the referenced article evidence of birdshot lethality at "across room" distances either, since the engagment distance is not mentioned.
 
The home invasion hero that I lit up several years ago with a #6 shot reload at about 2 feet, who lost 4 fingers and his entire lower jaw, might argue that a 9mm might have been a more mercifull load (I doubt that after it blew a finger or two off it would have had much steam left to do more damage to his palate...). When you are "up close and personal", a face full of 12 gauge, no matter the size, is plenty convincing, I would venture to say, more than a 9mm...
Just my $0.02, YMMV...
 
He found the burglar hiding in a closet. It was probably pretty close, probably closer than across the room. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say you would have the worst day of your life getting shot from 12' or so right down to the end of the barrel. I think I'm fairly safe with this assumption.
 
I made the mistake of shooting a rooster pheasant one time at about 12 feet distance, using ounce and a eight of number 7 1/2 shot (stock pheasant).
All I did was bore a two inch hole from it's left leg to the right shoulder, all the way through the damn bird!
At close range, say less then fifteen feet I'll go with the bird shot!;)
 
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