HKGuns, when you claim an expert opinion, don't be surprised if someone asks you to back it up someday. That's real life, which is a goal we strive for here.
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jerkface11
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I also fail to see what's so great about an "AR" that uses nonstandard takedown pin placement and won't take P-Mags.
Gunnerpalace
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It's simpler than the AK system (if we are talking the flip safety selector)
Maverick223
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I most certainly agree, and find the AK to be horrible, I keep mine off for storage (and the bolt open so that it is as easy as charging the handle). I rather like the HK switch location, it fits me well.
Ok, I have officially debunked this rigged test. First off he lowered the H&K into the water with the bolt forward and a round chambered thus sealing off the the gas port and the chambered cartridge sealed that end of the barrel thus not allowing as much water to enter. Notice how little the amount of bubbles come up when he lowers the H&K. It's like when you put your finger over the top or a drinking straw and push it into a drink. The straw(barrel) doesn't take on any water.
Then when he lowers the standard AR into the water he has the bolt in the hold open featuring as its going into the water allowing the entire action,receiver,barrel,gas tube,buffer,ect to be totally flooded. No wonder he wore Ballistic helmet and shield. Notice allot more air bubbles cumming up and he then chambers a round under water.
On the shooting under water test i kept pausing it and you can notice the flash hider is literally poking out of the water the last second right as he fires. Also doing so causes the weapon not to cycle and he must recharge the weapon to continue firing above water. I seriously doubt the effectiveness of a .223 after passing threw only 1" off water,much less a barrel full.
Just do as they recommend and pull the bolt back a little to allow the barrel to drain when cumming out of the water, or just leave the bolt locked back so it drains instantly when you come out and you can instantly hit the bolt release being ready to fire faster than recharging the weapon like he had to.
The only thing I'll give the H&K is it can fire underwater, with the flash suppressor sticking out,because its piston driven and not gas impinged. For all we know the standard AR could do that if he didn't try to blow it up on the first shot.
Then when he lowers the standard AR into the water he has the bolt in the hold open featuring as its going into the water allowing the entire action,receiver,barrel,gas tube,buffer,ect to be totally flooded. No wonder he wore Ballistic helmet and shield. Notice allot more air bubbles cumming up and he then chambers a round under water.
On the shooting under water test i kept pausing it and you can notice the flash hider is literally poking out of the water the last second right as he fires. Also doing so causes the weapon not to cycle and he must recharge the weapon to continue firing above water. I seriously doubt the effectiveness of a .223 after passing threw only 1" off water,much less a barrel full.
Just do as they recommend and pull the bolt back a little to allow the barrel to drain when cumming out of the water, or just leave the bolt locked back so it drains instantly when you come out and you can instantly hit the bolt release being ready to fire faster than recharging the weapon like he had to.
The only thing I'll give the H&K is it can fire underwater, with the flash suppressor sticking out,because its piston driven and not gas impinged. For all we know the standard AR could do that if he didn't try to blow it up on the first shot.
Maverick223
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I will give you that it is rigged, with the timing of the test, the angle of the bbl (both while draining and under water), and with the plugged/non-existant hole in the AR; however I will say that HK makes some fine guns, and IMHO the best auto pistol made. It does however still abide by the laws of physics, making it a bit less that what they portray in their hoax...I mean advertisement.
I think both carbines were under the water long enough to be thoroughly filled with water.
I am not familiar with the HK416, but some in this post have said it is a AR with a gas piston.
For me the question is, why didn’t both rifles blow?
If you have a column of water in the barrel, that ought to raise pressures at lot.
I am not familiar with the HK416, but some in this post have said it is a AR with a gas piston.
For me the question is, why didn’t both rifles blow?
If you have a column of water in the barrel, that ought to raise pressures at lot.
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It's operated by a piston, that's why it doesn't blow. Something kalishkinov came up with 60 years ago.
blehk
"The best submachine gun" is like winning the special olympics. Screw accuracy, I want to throw a bunch of pistol caliber lead whilst wearing black kevlar and a plastic helmet. There is a reason all sorts of police departments are moving away from the mp5/ump and to AR platforms.
I'll put my $1200 (and ugly) FNAR in a competition against any psg1, I guarantee you it is more accurate... I'd put money on it if you can find someone with a psg1. Heck, a $500 Savage can outshoot the psg1.
Zombie thread, someone shoot it.
blehk
"The best submachine gun" is like winning the special olympics. Screw accuracy, I want to throw a bunch of pistol caliber lead whilst wearing black kevlar and a plastic helmet. There is a reason all sorts of police departments are moving away from the mp5/ump and to AR platforms.
I'll put my $1200 (and ugly) FNAR in a competition against any psg1, I guarantee you it is more accurate... I'd put money on it if you can find someone with a psg1. Heck, a $500 Savage can outshoot the psg1.
Zombie thread, someone shoot it.
Because HK deliberately rigged the test by either replacing the buffer tube from the M4 with one that didn't have a drain hole in it or plugging the drain hole in the existing buffer tube. Plug the drain hole in the buffer tube of the 416 and it will also blow up when fired full of water, you can't compress a liquid.
Maverick223
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Sure you can...so long as the liquid isn't water.
what good is MOA if your rifle just blew up!!
here is another one for u guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY
here is another one for u guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY
Why, sweet zombie jesus, did you dig up a 6 month old thread and why did you dig it up again after 7 more months? GIVE IT A REST!
Dude, Future Weapons has never "reviewed" a weapon they didn't like.
Stop it with the HK-416 pimping. It's bull. It's an AR-15 with a piston. NOTHING SPECIAL.
Dude, Future Weapons has never "reviewed" a weapon they didn't like.
Stop it with the HK-416 pimping. It's bull. It's an AR-15 with a piston. NOTHING SPECIAL.
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