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H&K VS colt

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dunlop, Nov 17, 2008.

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  1. dunlop

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  2. General Geoff

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    The fact that the guy was wearing a welder's mask when testing the AR, and not when he was testing the HK, leads me to think this test was somewhat rigged in HK's favour.
     
  3. dunlop

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    i think it just shows good faith
     
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    Yeah, they have obviously done this before, no way the Germans would go without procedures. HK for life.
     
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    nice vid, could use a little german techno though
     
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    "Dieter, climb down in zee hole full of vasser. Zees is very unlikely to geblowen seine face off."

    "Jawohl, Herr PR Director."

    Hopefully guy there in the mud puddle had a pretty good health plan, too.

    For the entertainment of the HK fan boys, I'd point out that the 416s that were issued to the team guys at my last unit had trouble doing 4 MOA with green tip ammo at 100 meters (and generally printed groups around twice as large as a stock M4A1 with Mk 262 as well, though the groups were smaller). It may shoot in a mud puddle, but may not shoot where you want it to . . .
     
  7. marktx

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    From watching the video once it seems like they keep the barrel of the Colt tilted up a good bit more when coming out of the water than with the H&K. The camera angles are different so it's hard to really be sure but it could be the critical difference between half a barrel full of water and just a wet barrel. There seems to be a lot of room for variation in this "test" and I wouldn't put much faith in it.
     
  8. jackdanson

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    wow, a piston AR, that's original.

    Don't forget HK hates you, good luck ever buying one of these. Only the gov'ment is responsible enough to use HK's.
     
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    Perhaps it is a solution in search of an issue?

    Although I've heard really good things about the HK STANAG magazines.
     
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    They're heavier than USGI magazines, longer/won't fit in all mag pouches out there, and (strangely enough, being steel versus lighter aluminum) are actually easier for Joe to deadline and break by being overly vigorous when loading with stripper clips and the issue speed loader that comes in 5.56mm bandoliers.

    The anti-tilt followers are good, I guess, as long as you get the 2nd generation ones. The first generation anti-tilt followers were known to lock up and, well, tilt, due to the wrong coating (or may have been no coating) on the follower.

    After testing both out, I ended up preferring P-Mags to my issue HK mags.
     
  11. Gunnerpalace

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    More like the Fed's do import laws people.
     
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    Um, it's "wasser".

    :D:D:D:D:D
     
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    anyone notoice the water coming out of the butt of the hk? a stock colt does not have a hole drilled back the to lett the water "releave its self" does a stock hk have a hole back there?
     
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    I was trying for phonetic German accent, more than good German (not that I could do much justice to good German -- took years of it back in high school and college, but my recollection is dangerously close to non-existent these days).
     
  15. jackdanson

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    Touche'.

    They still don't seem to be enthusiatic about getting there products released to the general public. They could (relatively) easily set up a U.S. based company to produce their firearms, thereby bypassing U.S. import laws.. and I can almost guarantee they would be profitable.

    And to everyone else trying to figure out "why it works". It is piston based, the water draining is largely irrelevant!!! Think AK not AR.
     
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    Like I said, the piston makes for better reliability. But in my real world, non-video game console experience with them, they have accuracy issues.

    I would note that the HK 416 printed better group sizes in the Army's dust test than the ODAs in my unit that had them were getting. May have just been bad QC on early production runs of the 416, or may be a problem they have the short barrel models. Regardless, the real weapons did not quite measure up to the hype on the Discovery Channel informercial.
     
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    how big of accuracy issues? i plan to use it for tactical purposes
     
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    I don't want to veer but I have to address this,

    With the people coming into office would you invest several million $ doing that?

    From what I heard (know somebody know somebody take as you will) it has relatively poor accuracy, not mini-14 bad, but worse than the AR.
     
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    From what source are you planning on buying one?

    vanfunk
     
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    Somehow the OPs post here and in other threads scream "armchair commando". Anybody else has same feeling?
     
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    Isnt that test done by HK as well?

    Either way, the 416 is very rare here and ive seen price tags ~$4200. I think ill stick with my Bushmaster and just avoiding shooting it with water in the barrel.
     
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    I counted a 3 sec drain for the HK and a 1 sec for the AR with the barrel tilted back.

    Seems a bit biased.

    I'd like to see them add a $350 Saiga to the test group as well.
     
  24. dunlop

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    threw a department for law enforcement, or i know someone that can buy one, or already does have one

    it sucks because my girlfriends dad just married into a family that owns the right to colt, and they are *******s.
     
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    No, but in the last 20+ years they have made hardly any attempt to cater to civilian buyers. FN and SIG both produce "evil" rifles and sell them domestically. The attempts made by HK are always watered down politically-correct versions of their over-rated firearms. I realize that a large portion of this may be because of imort laws, but they seem to make no attempt to make products available to civilians.
     
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