Contemplating home security setups

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It is likely that I will be purchasing my first home in the next year, and been contemplating home security. There is a good chance I will be purchasing a home in a new subdivision, but might be able to make some minor modifications during construction. The area I would be living in has a moderate level of crime, mostly theft. For what it is worth, I have been around THR for a long time, but only registered today.

It seems that there are three common scenarios: Home invasion/burglary while the resident is home, burglary while the resident is not home, and end of the world scenarios. I am only thinking of the first two.

Assume that the house is a new 3 bedroom house constructed using traditional American construction techniques.

Exterior Entry Doors - Solid core doors for front, rear, and garage doors. Reinforced frames (4 inch screws, heavy strike plates, etc). Ultimate Lock or something similar.

Exterior Garage Door - My only thought on this is to have one of the pre-braced hurricane doors put in. These weigh several times what a normal door does and do not buckle very easily. This seems unrealistic and unnecessary though.

Exterior Windows - Something like shattersafe on the glass, including either a semi-reflective or tinted look (more to discourage "window shopping").

Master Bedroom - Steel core door similar to the front door, reinforced frame, etc.

Master Bedroom Closet - I had the idea to make this into a safe room/gun storage room. It is also the room I am the most uncertain about. It seems like it would be a good idea to have the room wall made out of brick, steel, etc. The door would also be along the same lines as the other heavier doors. I imagine this room to be more for disaster shelter and secure storage (a safe place to leave valuables when on vacation).

Electronic Security - Security cameras (mostly inside, a few outside if I can completely conceal them) tied into a DVR in the master closet. This is more for monitoring strange noises and whatnot and catching anyone that does break in.

Some kind of actual security system of motion sensors, etc. It would be great if I could find a way to tie this into an alert to my cell phone, allowing me to remotely log in while at work.

Further Thoughts - The security plan is to discourage attempts to break in and give me sufficient time to wake up, arm myself, and assess the situation. There are other techniques I could use such reinforcing the walls with plywood or similar material, but this seems a bit extreme when the goal is to buy 30 seconds of time. Some of these ideas would be a higher priority as finances permit, such as the front and rear doors and security system. Others, such as the garage door would be a low priority.

Anyone have any other ideas?
 
They probably aren't going to allow many changes happen.

Your list seems good though. Just make sure the door in the garage is considered an exterior door and is rated with the others accordingly.

Also, get your own guy to come in and do the inspection before closing. A few problems I've seen with new construction is worse than buying a used house without an inspector.
 
iiibdsiil,

All but the reinforced walls of the master closet could be done with a couple hours work on the weekend and with minimal expense. Another thread gave me the idea to put heavily anchored wire mesh behind the drywall of the master closet. That would at least mean that someone would spend at least five minutes trying to get in.

I do plan on having an inspector or three out before closing regardless of what I get.
 
As far as security, there are LOTS of choices out there, but here is one that has cell phone and email alerting: http://www.wilife.com/Products/StarterKit.aspx

And I just gotta ask...

If you are contemplating buying this brand new home, why are you considering moving to a area that "has a moderate level of crime"? I understand that sometimes you move to be closer to work or family or for better schools for your kids, but I just hope the advantages of purposely moving into this type of situation outweigh the potential disadvantages

Scott
 
Smaller cities and towns (<15000 in this case) that are isolated from major metropolitan areas in the West often have widespread low-level property crime. Unlike larger cities it is not possible to move a couple of blocks and be in the "good" neighborhood.

In my case I am a single guy, so it is not really a major problem. I worry more about the things which are important to me (not the least of which is a sense of safety in my home) being taken away from me.
 
Smaller cities and towns (<15000 in this case) that are isolated from major metropolitan areas in the West often have widespread low-level property crime. Unlike larger cities it is not possible to move a couple of blocks and be in the "good" neighborhood.
And who told you this? I live in a town of just over 8,000 people and we do not have this so-called "widespread low-level property crime".

No matter what anyone tells you, owning your own home is a good idea, espcially now when interest rates are hovering around 5% or less. The thing you have to consider is the future value of this home unless you plan on living there until you die (of old age hopefully!). You may meet a woman (or "partner") one day and decide to move into their house or you may get a once in a lifetime job offer in another town. If this house is already in a questionable area, you have to consider those things that can affect the future value of this property.

Yes, you should feel safe in your own home, but intentionally moving to a questionable neighborhood, especially when you do have choices, may not be the wisest investment strategy. Generally speaking, homes in "safer" areas tend to cost more, but on the other hand, they also tend to be worth more when it comes time to sell.

I have owned a few homes and some rental property. I have made a few costly mistakes and hopefully get a little smarter each time. My advice is worth exactly what it cost you!

Scott
 
The experience of living in half a dozen states and about 15 different locations in the past 25 years have taught me this.

I don't think you understand what I was getting at. A smaller town does not have any areas that are protected from crime by DISTANCE as you see in larger cities. Larger cities tend to have buffer zones of several miles around the bad neighborhoods where they gradually get better and crime rates drop. In smaller cities even the good neighborhoods are buffer zones due to their proximity to bad neighborhoods.

I am well aware of exactly what my wants and needs are in home buying. Every house has pros and cons. Neighborhood is only one aspect.

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant to the topic here.
 
Just a piece of advice.
If you have valuables like Motorcycles, Rollaway Toolboxes, Powertools etc. in your garage; keep the garage door closed. It aways seems odd to me that people will put in a system and then advertise expensive highly portable items by keeping a garage door wide open for hours.
I like your ideas, but if you use the Master Closet as a safe room put the recorder and one monitor in there. It would be good to montior from your last line of defence aqnd a shame if the bad guys walked out with the recorder. You might want another monitor in the house also.
Mesh Wire or a layer of chicken wire would definatly slow down anything comming through the wall. Talk to the builder about your concerns.
I really encourage you to have an inspector you trust to come in and look. That $150.00 has saved me Tens of Thousands I would have spent in repairs over the years.
 
> Garage

Very true. A lot of this depends on which place I would end up getting.

> Recorder and monitor

I plan on that. In additional, I would like to set the recorder to upload stills to an offsite server I already have. Something like 1 frame every 30 seconds from each view with images rotated out every X days as a last chance backup.

> Mesh

I ran across a link somewhere here that goes to a company that makes a mesh specifically for this purpose (though the fasteners are probably more important). Unless something like that is ridiculously expensive I would probably just go with it. One house I am looking at is adobe, which would not require any.

> Inspectors

I plan on it. I will probably use two, one for the official inspection and might see about flying a friend of mine out as well (who knows windows, flooring, and roofs better than most inspectors).
 
The mesh will tie up a saw or an axe if someone tries to force their way in through the wall. It wont stop them down, but it will slow them considerablly.
When I get home I am going down to one of the local builders surplus stores and getting some discount kitchen cabinets for the garage to enhance storaqe and securing some of my consumables above the floor level. This secures things, enhances floor space availability and hides things from prying eyes.
I keep my motorcycles and roll away tool boxes covered with white sheets in my garage. If you casually drive by it takes a second look to see them as this allows them to "blend into the white walls in the background. As a plus it keeps them clean and dustfree.
If you decide to go this route I reccomend putting the cabinets in and giving the garage floor a double coat of Garage floor paint. This will keep it organized and make any spills easy to clean up.
Have the security system put in before the inspector comes. Lots of security guys are good, but some of them are lax when it comes to laying in your wiring. The last thing you want is a good system that creates a fire hazard with poor wiring. I have seen some scarey wiring done on a security system, open 110 without wire ties laying in insultaion as an example.
You seem to have a lot of good ideas, good luck.
 
here are a few Ideas from a construction guy.

3" screws in the hinges at the entry doors. Actually using the reinforcing for the deadbolt and the 3" screws that come with it. Many carpenters dont let out the frame the additional amount and only use the trim ring in the door frame.....

If the house will have a sliding door, do some work on that. Make sure the lock is good, and the door cant be lifted out.

Make sure the door to the garage is treated as an exterior door. (Remember to lock it).

Use exterior lighting

Remember that your houses walls are far from bullet proof and almost any round will go through a drywall wall.



Remember that anything built by man can be opend by a sawzall. So do all of the good physical barriers, lights, etc. but dont expect that your house is a fortress, unless your bulding with steel, concrete, masonry, and lots of reiforcing. (Have A LOT of money)
 
Mesh....

The probelm I have with mesh or any other "above & beyond" fortification type idea is that this means the person is coming at the house not at a normal point of entry (A door or window). That would make me think they know how buildings are built & honestly, if a person with even a little construciton background and a few tools is determined to get into your house, and is willing to make noise doing it......they are going to get in.

Things are just not built for that level of assault. Typically buildings are built to withstand mother nature and "normal" loads / forces....they are not typically constructed to prevent disassembly. Constructing a house to prevent disassembly would be very costly.

Do the stuff that makes sense, secure what is reasonable, but I wouldn't spend a lot of money doing fortifications.
 
Howdy friends
Just a quick question... I like the idea of wire mesh, chain link, hog wire or what not to slow the entry to a small safe room but how will a metal cage effect cell phone, radio, or wireless security system signals?
 
I wouldnt think much, of course that would depend on your towers location to some degree. I would also think depending on location of the room in relation to the roof you may not have to line the ceiling based on the roof lines pitch.
 
Home security professionals that I have spoken with recommend using some methods that are apparent to outsiders. Things like visible video cameras (real or fake), lighting, locks, fencing, signage indicating a security system, etc.

It doesnt mean not doing any of the things you mentioned, it just means that if your home looks like there are security measures in place (and if they can see those, they may consider there are ones they cant see)...they'll move on to easier targets.

The other thing they made very clear to me....the externals are important because it's much much better to stop them OUTSIDE the home than letting them in and dealing with them then. (There are specific window and door locks, for ex, that go off when tampered with.)
 
Ultimate Lock or something similar.
A little lock talk. If you want the best of the best go for ASSA or MEDECO. 110% pick proof and very very hard to drill. Class 2 or 3 knobs and double sided deadbolts. 4 inch deck screws for everything, antikick bolts for all doors inside and out, door wraps work well.

how will a metal cage effect cell phone, radio, or wireless security system signals?
That would be called a Faraday cage. No RF in no RF out.
 
Things are just not built for that level of assault. Typically buildings are built to withstand mother nature and "normal" loads / forces....they are not typically constructed to prevent disassembly. Constructing a house to prevent disassembly would be very costly.

Correct. In my first post I mentioned that I did not intend to reinforce the bedroom walls or other areas as it is both expensive and does not stop an assault. There are two scenerios I am considering.

When I am not home: My hope is to create a security system that will in some way provide an alert and photo to my cell phone if someone does get in. This way it is only a matter of calling the police. Hopefully they would never even make it into the house.

When I am home: These improvements are designed to buy me enough time to wake up, assess the situation, get my glasses, and arm myself. Nothing more.

One of the houses I am looking at is made of adobe, which actually is strong enough to prevent quick disassembly.
 
One thing that does work fairly well to deter chopping/cutting thru walls is to drill 5/8" holes thru the wall studs and then pull 1/2" rebar thru the holes. Place these 6” on-centers and reinforce with a vertical bar every 16" and you have a low cost, hard to cut into room. Bend the bars at the corners of the room and carry the bar 16" into the adjoining wall (the end wall studs have to be set after this is done). The downsides are: no fire resistance, no bullet resistance if used as a safe room, most easily done during initial construction (but it can be done during remodeling).

PS Do not forget to do the ceiling and the floor.
 
I'm curious why so many are concerned about fortifying interior walls. The scenarios here are home invasions and burglaries...correct?

In either case, the motive isnt to kill or capture, is it? (I guess it could be in a home inv). Why is a BG even coming prepared to cut thru your walls (or seeking out your tools to do so)?

How common is this part of the scenario? ^^^

Not only that, you're mostly talking about fortifying your 'safe' room. Where you are holed up with your weapon(s). You have a very good chance of defending this space and not only that, it gives cops the time to get there even in rural areas...since you'd have phone/cell in safe room with which to call them.

This fortifying interior walls seems like overkill to me, unless you're a human key or something. Also, it seems like there's more you could do to keep them out of the house, period, if you're going to go any extra mile like interior re-construction.

Why are they so determined to come in after you, esp if you let them know you are armed in there? (I mean, if they hate you or really want you out...they'll just set the place on fire)
 
SarcasticDwarf,

Twice you have spoken of a house made of adobe as being strong enough to prevent quick disassembly. Is this house of solid adobe, or is it of “sub-division” adobe? There is a great difference.

Go look at one being built. You might find it’s merely adobe veneer.
 
I have my home set up with exterior door that swing out instead of in, with European hidden hinges (his term). We have glass vestibules for the entryway then the door to the house that open out. You will not batter my doors open. They are not easy to find, my builder custom made mine to fit. He has done several before and makes it an option for those who are security concious.
 
Clay,

The one I am looking at* is solid adobe. It was built by hand about 15 years ago by an individual (yes, if I got it there would be some serious inspections done). One of the positive aspects of it is its durability. Not having to worry as much about rounds going through walls (even interior walls are adobe brick), solid walls, etc is a pretty nice feature. I am quite fascinated by it as I had never seen an adobe house before.


*I should hear back if I got the job in the area in the next week at which point I will be looking more seriously at specific houses.
 
Just a quick question... I like the idea of wire mesh, chain link, hog wire or what not to slow the entry to a small safe room but how will a metal cage effect cell phone, radio, or wireless security system signals?
Typical chicken wire or hog wire isn't tightly woven enough to stop most household RF. To stop cell phone signals, the mesh would have to look more like the mesh in the door of your microwave oven, with no gaps.
 
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