User Friendly Semi-Autos?

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Is there 1 that is easy to field-strip and easy to rack?

Nothing comes close to a Glock in this contest. Nothing.

There is always a Koolaid-drinker in the crowd.

The Walther P99 has the same field-stripping steps as a Glock - tie.

The Walther P99 has an 11.25 lb. recoil spring while recoil springs in different Glock models are from 16-18 lbs. - advantage Walther.
 
I have watched petite women shoot the Glock, 1911, Sig 226 and Beretta M92 with no problem racking the slides when taught proper technique.

A greater issue for those same women was loading Glock magazines.

1911, Beretta and Sig magazines were no problem for them, but they couldn't fully load the Glock double stack magazines without help from someone with more hand strength.
 
"Not even close. . .for your standard issue drool monkey." My post had a qualification in it. Quote it or paraphrase it accurately next time.

There is no doubt that a Glock is easier for your run of the mill mouth breather.

Then a rubik's cube is as easy to solve as tying one's shoes.... if you have a certain qualification (having no fingers).
Even if you're highly skilled, a Glock can be taken down faster and simpler than a 1911. I don't care how you look at it. And comparing detail stripping? I can detail strip my Glock in about a minute and a half. Takes much longer for the 1911s I used to own. And no, they did not have idiot marks.
 
I vote for

1) Beretta 92 very easy

2) Sig is also easy

3) Then the Glock also easy after you are use to it, many new owners pull the slide too far back at first.
 
Actually a 1911 is both as easy to field strip and detail strip as a Glock

oh come on, you know that's not even close to being true. i get it, you love 1911's and hate glocks, but at least don't spout misinformation.
 
Hi-Points are easy to rack and field strip

Yup! This is my point from before. The Original Poster has given us absolutely nothing of substance with which to recommend a particular style of handgun.

So what we have is a simple popularity contest between those who love the kind of pistol they happen to shoot and those who love the kind of pistol they happen to shoot.

StraitShooter, until you pick a set of criteria which are substantively unique or at least recognizably different between platforms, this pointless "my gun RULZ ALL!" bickering will continue. (Or a Mod will step on your thread.)

I'd suggest you think on the following:

1) Type of action: Striker fired, DAO, SAO, DA/SA, or one of the weird ones (LDA, DAK, etc.). What do you like the trigger to feel like and do as you shoot?
1a) Mechanical safeties, passive safeties, no safety?
2) Caliber / capacity? Some of these choices are limited to a few chamberings. Most aren't.
3) Grip size and/or adjustability.
4) Grip angle.
5) Steel? Alloy frame? Polymer frame?
6) Capacity? Most choices are in the same range, but some aren't. If you would like a 19+1 capacity with stock magazines, your choices are a little more limited.
7) Height of the bore axis? This might only matter to some of the more advanced competitive types, but those guys do know a thing or two.
8) ETC.: What else really matters to you? Appearance? Stainless parts? Wood grips? Black and tacticool? Accessory rails, or lack there of?

And understand that some of these choices affect the others. Some guns are really pleasant to hold in their 9mm versions but are fat and less comfortable (for some shooters) in their .45ACP versions. And, capacity changes between different guns when switching calibers, so you may not be comparing apples-to-apples, so to speak.

Borrow or rent some autos. See what you like and hate. Then ask again, if you haven't already made up your mind.

Good Luck!

-Sam
 
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I would have to suggest the Taurus 92 line as well... the slide is just too damn easy to rack, and the takedown is absolutely effortless. EVEN easier than a Glock, 1911, xd, xdm, 99... etc.
 
I'm just curious as to when partially retracting a 1911's slide to its index notch and pushing out the slide release lever became freakin' rocket science.:rolleyes:

Field strip, push in the firing pin, drop the firing pin stop, the FP and the extractor both easily come out. Use the firing pin if one has no punch and drive out the mainspring housing pin while making sure the grip safety is pushed in. Those few steps and you are essentially just pulling parts out from there.

There's no disinformation in saying that most folks have become lazy and daunted by many once routine mechanical tasks that were never as hard as they are made out to be by the modern incompetent.
 
I'd say Glock 19/23/32 as long as:
-your not recoil sensitive, the 19 isn't bad but a heavy steel gun is better for little girls than a lite Glock
-you can load the mags, stiff magsprings=reliability in Glocks
- you can reach the trigger
-you can use a proper hold as high as you can.
- you have a holster that covers the trigger and understand how important it is to take your time reholstering a striker fired gun.

Still the most reliable and corrosion resistant pistol I know of. But it's got a few oddities that make it hard to recommend to small handed women.
 
I agree with Sam1911, you need to get out to some gun shops and handle different pistols. How comfortable the gun is to you and your natural point of aim is going to be way more important than the recoil spring poundage and ease of field stripping. If it's not comfortable to YOU, who cares how easy it is to clean!!!

Go hit the shops with pen and paper to make a list of guns that feel comfortable to you and then come here and ask all the questions you wish.

Just my nickels worth and no I don't want my change.

Shawn
 
Find a double action only 3rd generation S&W autoloader. I have a 4046, 1086 and have shot a 4546. You insert a loaded magazine, rack the slide back and you are good to go. It is just like shooting a revolver trigger, only you have 8rds.
 
Find a double action only 3rd generation S&W autoloader. I have a 4046, 1086 and have shot a 4546. You insert a loaded magazine, rack the slide back and you are good to go. It is just like shooting a revolver trigger, only you have 8rds.
I agree. A Smith and Wesson 5906 is a excellent choice. Smith and Wesson makes a Sigma SW9VE and SW40VE that field strips just like a Glock. It will cost less than a Glock.

roaddog28
 
I disagree that I haven't given any substantial criteria and that racking effort and maintenance are minor issues, they are very important ones. All of the features listed by Sam1911 are secondary, except for the safeties which I mentioned already. But what is important also are reliability, durability, and accuracy, but these are understood. And appearance is largely subjective; I agree with those who say the Glock is unattractive but some models are more attractive, the 19, 21SF, 23, and 37. The 1911 is the best looking for sure. And the "bickering" is simply disagreements which are unavoidable.

I have learned very important information in your responses--great stuff. Thanks.
 
1911s, Glocks, S&W M&Ps... they all work. If you wish you could go H&K and Sig Sauer. ALL of the pistols listed are durable and very reliable as well as "user friendly".
 
I'm just curious as to when partially retracting a 1911's slide to its index notch and pushing out the slide release lever became freakin' rocket science.

It's still easier to pull the tabs down on a Glock and move the slide back 1/2". Hell, I can field strip my Glock with one hand in about two seconds. Seriously though... No one here would agree with you.
 
Hell, I can field strip my Glock with one hand in about two seconds. Seriously though... No one here would agree with you.

Yes, I know. The degeneracy here has been increasing by leaps and bounds over the past few years.

The Beretta PX-4 improved upon the Glock tabs by not requiring any monkeying back and forth with the slide or pulling the trigger, so the Glock isn't even the easiest using its own method. Please do explain how to both pull the trigger and pull the slide off of a Glock with the same hand. Thanks.
 
I disagree that I haven't given any substantial criteria and that racking effort and maintenance are minor issues, they are very important ones
Of course they are important Strait. I didn't mean to say they aren't important. Just that there aren't substantive differences between platforms based on those criteria.

Sure, if you go back to the old days and get yourself a C-96 Broomhandle Mauser, or something equally esoteric, you may find yourself with a gun that's difficult to maintain. However, anyone with the mechanical aptitude to understand the principles of operation of a handgun, can reasonably execute basic field-stripping/maintenance of any of the suggestions you've been offered. Heck, the Glock, M&P, and xD are nearly indistinguishable (in most ways), in that they require like two basic steps to field strip. A 1911 isn't much harder. Nor is a 92F, or a SIG, or an HK, or a 3rd gen S&W auto, or many, many other choices. The manufacturers have made them all reasonably easy to clean/service because they have to be able to send them out into the hands of millions of customers who will need to be able to figure that out with no formal training and just a few pages in the owner's manual to guide them.

We're trying to tell you that worrying about how hard it might be to field strip one gun vs. another is a non-issue. Pick another thing to worry about.

Now, the force required to rack the slide may be something to be concerned about, especially if you have compromised hand strength or if it may need to be operated by someone who does. However, most service pistols require about the same racking force, give or take. Some are smooth-sided, though, and harder to grasp, while some have lots of edges and cocking serrations to help you get a grip. Some are easier to cock in one caliber than another. You'll just have to get your hands on several examples and see if one is easier than the others, for you. Don't expect to find a serious service pistol that offers no resistance to racking. The springs are strong for a reason.

(Also, there is a best technique for racking an auto that gives almost ANY person the strength to accomplish the task. Place the palm of the support hand against the side of the slide, wrap the fingers of that hand over the top and the other side to get as much grip on the slide as possible. Gripping the slide with a full-palm grip in the support hand -- holding the slide STILL -- push the strong hand forward against the grip, forcing the frame forward in relation to the slide. Push the grip forcefully forward until it reaches the rearmost stop of it's travel and continue pushing, stripping the slide from the grip of the support hand. Voila, a round is chambered! If it sounds complicated, there are pics and vids on line we can point you to.)

All of the features listed by Sam1911 are secondary, except for the safeties which I mentioned already.
Those features are only secondary if you don't have much experience with handguns. But that's fine! The journey of learning those differences is a lot of fun! :)

But what is important also are reliability, durability, and accuracy, but these are understood.
Understood? Maybe. Fortunately, most of the offerings from the major manufacturers are about equally reliable, durable, and considerably more accurate than most shooters (certainly those inexperienced with handguns) can take advantage of.

And the "bickering" is simply disagreements which are unavoidable.
Perhaps unavoidable, but these disagreements are really just symptoms of a bunch of gun fans who really want to laud their favorite pistol and who haven't been given sufficient criteria to make a more discerning selection.

When your criteria can be met -- with equal validity -- by a high-end 1911 and a Hi-Point, well, you just plain need to pick some more discriminating criteria! :)

Get thyself to a range and see what you like. Then you'll know what to ask.

We'll be here when you get back!

-Sam
 
Sam, even when the OP list certain criteria, some will recommend guns that don't meet that criteria. Most of these offenders, from what I've seen, tend to be glock owners. One recent thread had the OP wanting a SA/DA yet there were half a dozen members recommending glocks.
 
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