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And we can definitely agree to disagree. The only time I've seen cylinder lockups is right after loading. Usually it's because the individual, when they closed the cylinder, didn't finish the rotation of the cylinder manually that 1/4" till it went "CLICK". They simply closed the cylinder and tried pulling the trigger. I have NEVER seen a cylinder lockup if loaded properly and the cylinder was closed and seated properly.

That isn't to say I didn't see where an individual had a small revolver as a concealed carry, but they carried it in their front pocket all the time and lint and crap got into it. But we're not talking about "Self Defense". We're talking about "Home Defense". 2 totally different scenarios. Anyway, except for the person who didn't know how to properly load and set the revolver, I've not seen a cylinder lockup. But it is VERY common with those who don't know how to load and set the cylinder. Personally, I will still trust the mechanics of the revolver at 2am than I will a semi-auto.
 
Anything but a Glock, which are the most overrated pistols to ever be sold in the United States.

A so-called "combat pistol" that has to be held perfectly to fire more than once without jamming is a range toy in actuality.
 
I've seen quite a few revolvers that have experienced cylinder lock-up for a variety of reason

Then I suggest you play the lottery aggressively. What is unknown, of course, is what revolvers you're talking about. We had a guy here run a 1000 rounds through his Taurus without cleaning it once to see how long he could go before a lockup.

A well-made, well-maintained quality revolver with good factory ammo should not fail catastrophically. In a youtube clip where the ejector was unscrewing on some IDPA guy, the cylinder got progressively harder to open until it finally failed, but the user got plenty of warning.

I would contend that such failures with well-maintained revolvers are extremely rare. The auto guys seem to convince themselves that revolvers fall apart all the time, regularly, but their anecdotes are, like the fish they catch, swollen greatly over time.
 
I reccommend a Glock 26 or 27! I own a model 27 and shoot it just as well as it's bigger brothers. Not to metion it's easier to conceal. To me it's the perfect gun.

But enough Glock cool-aid... If the grip isn't for you (like many others) I would suggest a Springfield XD or a Smith and Wesson M&P.
 
I'll chime in again: try as many different guns as you can. Get what you like. Understand that autos are easier to shoot but require a more training to use effectively. A double action revolver is harder to shoot accurately in DA for a new shooter but is easier for a newbie to just grab and shoot.

Don't be thrown off by the fact that some of the good advice here is contradictory.
 
Anything but a Glock, which are the most overrated pistols to ever be sold in the United States.

A so-called "combat pistol" that has to be held perfectly to fire more than once without jamming is a range toy in actuality.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seems you need practice in firing a semi then.....I have never had an issue with my Glocks, including a Gen II bought new decades ago.....

Of course, I have never had an issue with my HK, 1911s, Berettas either..........

Sounds more like operator error
 
Or, you could have a glock, that isn't a "True" double action, and for whatever reason, the round doesn't fire. e.g. light primer strike. There is no 2nd strike capability. A revolver, you simply pull the trigger again. Unless the semi-auto is a "true" DA/SA or other external hammer such as a Sig P220 or 1911A1, you have to rack a new round into the chamber.

It's a moot point for me because I'd rack the slide to load a fresh round anyway. That's what effectively happens with double-action revolvers--the round that didn't fire is skipped rather than struck repeatedly. If you have a dud with a DA/SA semiauto, then you'd have to rack the slide after a couple of additional trigger pulls, obviously.

All guns are mechanical. All guns therefor can go FUBAR. I don't choose a revolver over a semi-auto for home/2am defense because of the "GUN FAILING". I choose a revolver over a semi-auto for home/2am defense because at 2am "MY BRAIN" may be what fails in responding properly.

That's what training is for--things like reloading and clearing malfunctions should be second-nature. I can only speak for myself, of course, but if I couldn't fully operate my semiauto under certain conditions--even to clear minor faults such as light primer strikes--then I wouldn't trust myself to fire a revolver at the right target, either, but that's just me. These are two views on the subject, at any rate, and everybody needs to decide for themselves what works for them.

I've trained in "Hot Houses" where you practice live fire in a building. There are audio shots being fired back some times. There's other noises made; etc... I've seen people forget to turn the safety off on some guns. I've seen people who forgot to load a round into the chamber.

That's what Glocks and M&Ps (et al.) are for--there's no manual safety to worry about and they're meant to be kept ready to fire at all times, with a round in the chamber, whether holstered or at the bedside.

That said, if anybody doubts the reliability of semiautos to the point where it bothers them, then by all means go with a revolver, which is a good choice, too (although I wouldn't trust a firearm of any type for defense unless I had tested it thoroughly first). For some perspective, however, remember that many would suggest a pump-action shotgun over any type of handgun, even though they're not any more reliable than a proven semiautomatic pistol--there's plenty of opportunity to "short-stroke" the action and occasionally they simply jam. Rifles can have similar issues, too. Every type of firearm has pros and cons for home defense.

I really haven't seen many light primer strikes at all, auto or revolver, when using quality self-defense ammo.

And when it does happen, it's most likely an ammo issue unless a particular handgun--of any type--has chronic light-strike issues (more common in revolvers, I believe, due to end shake issues), in which case it should be repaired before being used for home defense. I've never seen a problem myself with quality centerfire ammo, and it's pretty rare with quality rimfire ammo, as well. Also remember that squib loads can have exactly the same disastrous effect on revolvers if the barrel becomes obstructed, which should be all but unheard of with self-defense ammo from a reputable manufacturer.

But I've seen quite a few revolvers that have experienced cylinder lock-up for a variety of reason....it's not as rare as you seem to think.

For example, shooting some heavy loads at the range over several sessions could increase end shake just enough to cause the cylinder to bind at some random point in time if the gap is too tight on a particular gun. Those who are unfamiliar with such issues and don't monitor the tolerances of their revolvers--such as relative novices who were told that revolvers are ideal for them because they're totally dependable and cannot "jam"--could get a nasty surprise when their self-defense revolver does "jam" when they need it most. If and when it does--and I'm not saying that it's frequent, but it does happen--there's a decent chance that they won't be able to unjam it.
 
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seems you need practice in firing a semi then.....I have never had an issue with my Glocks, including a Gen II bought new decades ago.....

I don't need practice. The issue is real. What if one is blood slicked, or wounded in the arm? Glock singlehandedly introduced the "musta limp wristed" it excuse to the shooting public and that it is most susceptible is well documented on video.

Of course, I have never had an issue with my HK, 1911s, Berettas either..........

Sounds more like operator error

Blaming the shooter for its pistol design shortcomings is the one Glock tradition that there is.
 
Anything but a Glock, which are the most overrated pistols to ever be sold in the United States.

Well, they're bound to be overrated since their selling point is "Perfection" :rolleyes: but that doesn't mean they aren't one of the most--if not THE most--robust, practical, yet affordable pistol designs in existence.

A so-called "combat pistol" that has to be held perfectly to fire more than once without jamming is a range toy in actuality.

Admittedly, perhaps partly because of their light weight, Glocks are a bit more susceptible to limp-wristing than other popular designs, but you'd still have to try awfully hard (almost dangerously so) to get one to jam this way, and the larger caliber models barely suffer from this at all. If it really bothers some people, then they should get an M&P instead, which is almost as light and virtually impossible to limp-wrist, but I consider it a non-issue--certainly nothing that affects normal or combat usage.
 
Glock-bashing (or any handgun, for that matter) is for amatuers...

The fact that Glock has taken over the handgun market in about 2 decades of competing says something about the quality and affordability.

I personally have fired countless thousands of rounds through several Glocks with only 1 defect (caused by someone else's reloads). That's an impressive feat.

I'm not pushing Glocks, but they are my personal favorite. What I will repeat is that you need to hold, fire, use several types to figure what works for you. Then buy one in a caliber that you can afford to train/shoot frequently.
 
I don't need practice. The issue is real. What if one is blood slicked,

I haven't tried it, but I think that Glocks are sufficiently grippy to allow a firm enough hold. One's entire arm has to be limp to get one to fail this way.

or wounded in the arm?

Then use the other arm for support as usual or by itself. We're not talking about a serious issue that should ever normally crop up. Well, alright, if both of your arms are so severely wounded that they collectively can barely provide any resistance to the gun's recoil whatsoever, then the gun might jam on you. There you go. Happy? You'd probably drop the gun in that case anyway, assuming that you could even raise and aim it to begin with. :)

Glock singlehandedly introduced the "musta limp wristed" it excuse to the shooting public and that it is most susceptible is well documented on video.

Blaming the shooter for its pistol design shortcomings is the one Glock tradition that there is.

Yeah, and they blame ammo, too, and rarely acknowledge problems that they go on to silently fix anyway. I don't have any love for the company, either, but they make one darn fine pistol--not "Perfection" by any means, but about as practical and robust as pistols get today. Every design has a few weaknesses and flaws--that's not an excuse, just the reality of the matter.
 
I do intend to practice with a gun I plan on owning and especially one employed in a self-defense role. It only makes sense to take a gun out and shoot it regularly

Thanks for the clarification, this makes all the difference.

A great case can be made for a revolver, but they are harder to shoot well in DA mode, which is what you'll need to master for defensive shooting. You can master it, but it takes time. A .357 allows .38's, which is important in finding ammo to shoot as well as allowing various levels of power from the same gun.

1911's are great guns, but not the best to start with, due to their unforgiving handling protocols. These protocols are not difficult, but you must thoroughly understand and implement them.

For a good "all around" semi-auto, a case can be made for a Glock 19. Great size for the capacity and power. A Glock 17 is slightly larger and might be easier to shoot.

A Smith & Wesson M&P is a good choice. I'd go with the 4" here.

The Springfield XD / XD-m are also guns to consider.

All in 9mm.

Rent them, shoot them, buy one, take a class !!
 
Thanks for the large amount of feedback.

Someone here mentioned that Glocks are overrated and upon further consideration I remembered that the 9mm we had the day I was out shooting a number of guns had a problem where it would FTE if you even slightly limp-wristed it which my sister did a bit and I can definitely see myself doing that at 2am. So I really think I am going to look into the Revolver category.

I would feel comfortable using the shotgun as a primary defense weapon but I've read many places that in the tight quarters of the home if you can use a handgun it can be much more handy to use than a shotgun. Also there are stairs in most places and moving down a stairwell with a long-gun would result in me not having the gun in the "ready" position because I would have to use the railing, so that's another point for the handgun in that it can be held somewhat ready in one hand and the other is free to steady me against a wall/railing as needed.

If I was really nuts I would look at a Taurus Judge, it being the halfway point between handgun and shotgun. Revolver loaded with .410 shotshells.
 
Someone here mentioned that Glocks are overrated and upon further consideration I remembered that the 9mm we had the day I was out shooting a number of guns had a problem where it would FTE if you even slightly limp-wristed it which my sister did a bit and I can definitely see myself doing that at 2am. So I really think I am going to look into the Revolver category.

Then whatever you're more comfortable with and confident in would be the way to go.

I would feel comfortable using the shotgun as a primary defense weapon but I've read many places that in the tight quarters of the home if you can use a handgun it can be much more handy to use than a shotgun.

Handguns are definitely handier and may be far more comfortable to use for smaller members of your family, which is an important consideration. However, I have to mention that a 12- or 20-guage shotgun loaded with buckshot in the role of close-range home defense provides absolutely devastating firepower in comparison to a handgun. It's sort of like getting shot with a full magazine all in one instant, and a good center of mass hit is almost always the end of the road for the bad guy, right then and there. Note that I didn't say that you didn't have to aim, and you could very easily miss the target entirely if you don't (buckshot doesn't spread much at these ranges). With handguns, more precise shot placement would be needed to drop or stop an assailant, and if you're not so skilled and lucky, then it may take multiple hits unless he decides to run away or just psychologically can't take getting shot.

Also there are stairs in most places and moving down a stairwell with a long-gun would result in me not having the gun in the "ready" position because I would have to use the railing, so that's another point for the handgun in that it can be held somewhat ready in one hand and the other is free to steady me against a wall/railing as needed.

Maybe you could tuck the stock firmly under your shooting arm and still be able to aim and fire it that way.

If I was really nuts I would look at a Taurus Judge, it being the halfway point between handgun and shotgun. Revolver loaded with .410 shotshells.

Assuming that you're not nuts ;), be sure to use your common sense. Look at the Taurus Judge again, critically--it's not halfway between a handgun and shotgun, it's just a handgun with a 3" or 4" barrel (most models) that shoots puny .410 shotshells. While the latter can be fairly effective out of an 18+" barrel shotgun (albeit weak compared to "real" shotguns), it's no more effective than a handgun cartridge when fired out of a handgun (and we're not talking about a .500 S&W Magnum or even a .44 Magnum here). The best self-defense load for a Judge is probably the .45 LC if you can find a JHP for it (fortunately Speer makes a Gold Dot round in this caliber). It's not a great .45 LC revolver, though, due to compromises to its rifling, nor is it a great shotgun. In my opinion you'd be better off with a regular revolver in the caliber of your choice (can't go wrong with .357 Magnum, although 10mm Auto/.40 S&W using moon clips for ultra-fast reloads is pretty spiffy if you're feeling rebellious ;)).
 
For revolvers, I recommend a 4" if it's primarily for the home. Makes sighting/pointing it much easier. "Also makes good hunting pistol too in 357 magnum". If you are going to spend equal amount of time using it as a carry gun, then I recommend a 3". Easier to conceal.

Definitely recommend the 357 magnum. Then you can find the perfect ammunition for you. And if it's going to be used potentially by more than one person in the house, you can find a good round that all can shoot. A 357 magnum can shoot 38 specials. That means rounds as "Weak" as a 380, to the normal 38spl rounds, to rounds as powerful as 9mm with 38spl+p, up to that of a 40sw using 357 magnum, continuing on with more powerful 357 mags that potentially are as powerful as anything you can imagine. Including killing deer. The 357 magnum revolver is the MOST VERSATILE pistol of any pistol/caliber there is. Remember, the 357 magnum pistol CAN shoot 38spl and 38spl+P, but the 38spl pistol CAN NOT shoot a 357 magnum cartridge. It won't fit. And NOT ALL 38spl pistols can shoot +P hotter rounds. But a 357 magnum pistol can shoot absolutely EVERYTHING. And basically, a regular 38spl cartridge is hotter than a 380, and on the weak side of a 9mm. A +P is about equal to a 9mm. Then the 357 magnums get into their own world. Personally, I think everyone should own at least one revolver. A 357 magnum.

As far as brands go, S&W is by far the "best". But that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other good revolvers. Ruger is also good. Taurus is actually pretty good for revolvers, although I'm not a fan of their semi-auto. Also, Charter arms makes some really good revolvers. You may be tempted to get a 38 special revolver, but the price isn't that much different for the 357 magnum. This way you can choose which ammo you want and aren't limited by the gun.
 
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Someone here mentioned that Glocks are overrated and upon further consideration I remembered that the 9mm we had the day I was out shooting a number of guns had a problem where it would FTE if you even slightly limp-wristed it which my sister did a bit and I can definitely see myself doing that at 2am. So I really think I am going to look into the Revolver category.
Think about it....
You wake up in the middle of the night because you hear someone breaking in to your home.
Do you really think that you will be "limp wristing" your pistol?

Heck no! You'll probably have a "death grip" on it from the fear and adrenaline!

You'll also have to understand that Boats just hates Glocks, and he never misses a chance to bash them.

A so-called "combat pistol" that has to be held perfectly to fire more than once without jamming is a range toy in actuality.
This statement is utter nonsense.
Like any auto, Glocks can fail if not held firmly.
But they are, in fact, NOT easy to limp-wrist.
Cops and military and civilians have been depending upon Glocks for over 20 years.
Despite Boat's opinion of them, they are very reliable.
If they weren't it would be well known by now in the shooting community.
I've personally put thousands of rounds down range with a wide variety of Glocks and I have NEVER had a failure from limp-wristing one.
And neither has my wife, or my sister, or my 69 year old mother!
 
My home defense revolver recommendation is a 3" GP100 which is a 357 mag. Use 38spl +P for home defense. If you want more of a range gun, go with the 4" GP100.

Carry revolver recommendation is a Smith Model 442 or 642 which is in 38spl and rated for +P ammo. The Ruger LCR is worth a look also, but I don't have any personal experience with these other than picking them up at the gunshop. It will be difficult to shoot well beyond 15 yards, but I doubt you will need to shoot it beyond typical home defense distances (across the room).
 
And lets not forget that Glock leads in usage among law enforcement, NOT because they are better. But because they are cheaper and they won the bid contracts. Law Enforcement agencies and such are government agencies paid for by tax dollars. As such, just about all of them have to use a bid process. And glock usually wins because of the price. Not because they are better. Sig and HK are definitely better. But of course, the delusional will believe that if so many police officers use glocks, they MUST be great. Well, that's not the right answer. Luckily, as an individual, we aren't trying to buy 50, 100, 200, etc... guns where a $200-$300 price difference can be substantial. We can save or spend the extra couple hundred dollars and buy the better gun.

But for your home defense, you'll do better with the Revolver BigAlexe. easyg said you'd probably not only NOT limp wrist a semi-auto at 2am, but that you'd probably have a "Death Grip" on it. Well, that's just as bad, and another reason for the revolver. Or at the very least, a TRUE Double Action/Single Action semi like a SigSauer or similar. In Kuwait, Iraq, etc... I know what it's like to get woken out of sleep ABRUPTLY. I've also seen accidental discharges. Trust me, your 2am gun needs to be the simplest gun that you don't have to think about, and allows you the ability to concentrate on the "Threat" and not the gun. If you pull that trigger, you want it to be 100% intentional.
 
But for your home defense, you'll do better with the Revolver BigAlexe.
Well BigAlexe, you've already heard both sides of the revolver vs auto argument.
But mark these words:
If you go with the revolver for your primary home protection handgun, I predict that you will be replacing it with an auto within the year. ;)

Revolvers are fun to shoot, but for self defense it's all about putting lead in to the threat.
And I'll bet that you will be able to do that much better with an auto, given the same amount of practice (and practice equals time and money).
 
Quote[If you're sure its a handgun you want, why not a good double-action revolver for your first.

They're absolutely reliable. They are arguably more accurate than a semiauto, since the barrel is fixed to the frame. There's no fuss over magazines and safeties. And, as an extra benefit, a good one can be had relatively inexpensively.


What ever you get, make sure its something that fits you. Go to a range that rents handguns and try several. Hopefully, there'll be someone around whose knowledgeable about guns to help you choose (hint, the guy trying to sell you the $2,500 custom 1911 is not helping you).]Quote

The above input would be hard for me to beat.
You can always pick up a good condition dependable revolver and sell it for 80-100% of the cost when you decide to change.

As is usual with this sort of post, if you get 100 responses there will probably be 80 opinions. And all 80 are valid to the posters.

Whatever gun you end up with, shoot it till its use is second nature. Home defense or not, the decision to use deadly force must be made very carefully, usually in the worst possible situation. You don't want to have to think about how to use the gun at that time.
 
Well BigAlexe, you've already heard both sides of the revolver vs auto argument.
But mark these words:
If you go with the revolver for your primary home protection handgun, I predict that you will be replacing it with an auto within the year. ;)

Revolvers are fun to shoot, but for self defense it's all about putting lead in to the threat.
And I'll bet that you will be able to do that much better with an auto, given the same amount of practice (and practice equals time and money).

Shhhh. Not too loud. I own close to 18 guns, have owned well over 100 in the last 35 years, own MORE SEMI-AUTO's than Revolvers, but my S&W Model 13 357 magnum revolver is my MAIN 2am Bed stand gun. Don't speak too loud. I don't want it to know that I was suppose to "Trade it out" for one of my semi's years ago. Mark these words: Guns have feelings too.
 
A question about accuracy between revolvers and semi-autos:

Given similar barrel length, would a semi-auto with a fixed barrel (ex CZ-75 series) be any less accurate than a revolver?



I'm in the market for basically the same type of gun the OP is in. I hope it will see 100% of its action at the range, but it will live in the nightstand as well. Anything small enough for me to be willing to carry it regularly would not make a good 3am gun.

I seem to like CZ, both the 75 and the 82. But, I can't shake the appeal of a .357 mag revolver. A simple, rugged gun that can shoot a number of different rounds, including some really mean ones, is hard to not like.





Of course, when deciding between guns the correct answer is "all of the above.":D
 
If you're sure its a handgun you want, why not a good double-action revolver for your first.

They're absolutely reliable...There's no fuss over magazines and safeties.

The obvious tradeoff, however, is round capacity. For example, the S&W 686+ and 627 have capacities of 7 and 8 rounds of .357 Magnum/.38 Special (most other revolvers will hold 5 or 6 rounds), respectively, while the M&P and Glock both have magazine capacities of 15 rounds of .40 S&W or 17 rounds of 9mm, which is roughly double the number of rounds (plus one in the chamber to start off with). Maybe you won't ever need that many rounds, but then again you never know (home invasions are often done in groups of three or four).

In addition, M&Ps usually come without manual safeties (your option) and Glocks never have them--simply pick up the gun, aim, and squeeze the trigger just like a revolver. And what's the big fuss with magazines, anyway? They seem easy enough to manage, and provide fast reloads. You could match their reload speed with revolvers using moon clips (the cylinder will usually have to be modified, I believe), but the capacity will always be half.

If one type of handgun were truly superior to the other, then we probably wouldn't still have both types around.

They are arguably more accurate than a semiauto, since the barrel is fixed to the frame.

It doesn't matter at home-defense ranges.

And, as an extra benefit, a good one can be had relatively inexpensively.

Brand new M&Ps and Glocks can commonly be had for a street price in the range of $450-$550, which is roughly where you'd find a good .357 Magnum home-defense type of revolver (medium-to-large frame with a 4" barrel) if you shop around.

bigalexe, if you feel more comfortable with the reliability of revolvers, then that's perfectly fine (a .357 Magnum revolver is a cool gun that everybody should own one of anyway)--I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just commenting and providing information for general consumption. ;)
 
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