CZ-82 or Model 10?

the CZ is what I would choose, I had an 83 sort of wish I'd kept it and I now have a Makarov - the 9X18 round has some serious 'whack' to it. I load mine for s-d use. I'm eyeballing an 82 myself, I'll likley trade/sell my Mak if I buy the 82.
as said the 82 has second strike, d-a capability. and the slide is easy to rack anyway.

ArmedBear said:

And if you really want to defend your home against multiple armed attackers, I'd say that your home and your life are worth a few hundred bucks. Get a hi-cap .45, at least.

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I can't/won't argue with that. ...... With that said, if all I had was a 13 round 82 in 9mak I wouldn't lose any sleep over it but than I don't lose any sleep over the FMJ/HP debates.

BTW....I recently purchased a 1000rds of Mak ammo from the Sportsman Guide for just a little over $200, shipped right to my door, no tax and did it from the seat of my britches, without ever leaving the house......It's not real hard to get Mak ammo......It's all over the net and cheap. If you can play on an internet forum, there's no excuse to not be able to find FMJ or HP Mak ammo.

Well, the 9x18mak actually has some sold defensive ammo. The silver bear HPs perform well. Especially, the old 115grain load. I still hear good things about the 94grain silver bear HP.

Lets not forget Hornaday but you're not gonna walk into WallyWorld and find it so they do have a point.....For those that are not very savvy.

I have both a CZ 82 and a handful of K-frame Model 10's in my safe. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but push comes to shove it would be the CZ 82 because of capacity and ease of reloading. Hornaday SD ammo runs well in my 82 as does factory S&B which is down to $14 a box for the 95 grain FMJ in my area. I replaced the recoil spring, hammer spring and slide release spring, which on military surplus is my standard procedure after I buy them. I like it so much that I am slowly gearing up to reload 9x18 MAC in addition to 9x19 and .38 Special/.357 Magnum. For the price I plan on picking up a few more 82 in the future.
You are lucky to be able to walk in and hand pick it yourself.

I love my M10, but for personal defense, I have to think that more rounds should always win the argument...

For almost the same price, you should go for a 357 magnum revolver. Then you have options. E.g. the S&W model 13, 19, and 27 are definitely excellent choices.

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.357's are dandy, but you ain't gonna find one for the same price as a .38 assuming all other factors are the same. A model 13, 19, 66 .357 runs at least double what a comparable model 10, 64, 15, .38spl. does. There's no question that the .357 is more versatile, but some people like the OP would rather have the gun that's half the price and versatile enough for his intended purpose.

If you're gonna argue the case of .357 over .38, might as well point out that 9x19 is more practical than 9x18 too.

I love my M10, but for personal defense, I have to think that more rounds should always win the argument...

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Really?!

I think it's placing those rounds where they'll do the most good, as opposed to just shooting a lot.

The model 10 is a fantastic gun. Matter of fact, ANY of the "K" frames are fantastic. And if that's what a person chooses, more power to them. It's a great choice. But wives tales and misinformation about the 9x18 shouldn't be used. Ammo is totally cheap and available for the 9x18. (Unless of course you are paranoid about buying online). Locally however, I can usually find plenty of fiocchi FMJ and Hornady XTP Hollow points.

Which brings us to self defense ammo for the 9x18. I've probably shot every type of Self Defense ammo the 9x18 has ever had. Including most of which is no longer available. But still available presently is:

1. Hornady XTP
2. Silver Bear HP
3. Corbon Glaser PowerBall
4. Speer Bonded Unicore

And in the next couple months, Buffalo-Bore will be selling their 95 grain at 1125 fps.

Now you might not think 5 self defense rounds available is enough. Well, most people do. And it's not like you need a lot of it. If you're the type that practices with what they carry, then you simply like to waste money. That's your business. I keep a few hundred rounds of Silver Bear HP and Hornady on hand for carrying. Other than that, I shoot Silver Bear FMJ

Which leads to reloading. You can reload if you want, but I find it a waste of time unless you are just really into reloading ammo. I can buy 1000 rounds of 9x18 Silver Bear for $159. That's $8 a box. Why would I want to reload. For what it's worth, I also never reload my .223 ammo either. Not when PMC Bronze is $6.50 a box and Russian Tula is $3.99 a box. I do reload some, but not for these 2 calibers.

So definitely choose the S&W model 10 if you want a 38spl. it's a great gun. But don't choose against the 9x18 CZ-82 because people are telling you bad information about ammunition. That it's not really available or that you'll have to reload it. These people, while well meaning, are simply misinformed and they are misinforming you.

If you and your wife could possibly be using it for home defense and you are ready to flip a coin to choose, let your wife decide according to what is most comfortable for her.

I voted for the S&W model 10. I love mine. I've never owned a CZ, but they seem appealing.

Back in the middle of the first page of replies someone said to just use your 75. You said you were worried about lowering the hammer on a live round so that you could use it in DA for a little extra first shot "think time". BUT you also said that this is your IPSC gun. To shoot in Production you already have to lower the hammer on a live round at the beginning of each stage. If you fail and the gun discharges then you get a DQ and go home or watch for the rest of the day. So you're already set up with a good gun and the skillset to lower the hammer with a high degree of confidence.

Worried about an AD? We all should be. So get a 5 gallon bucket of sand and keep it in the house somewhere and when you need to load up and decock you do it while aiming the muzzle at the bucket of sand just in case. Or get one of those ballistic pillows that are made of kevlar and intended to use for just this sort of purpose.

Now that you don't need to buy a gun just for your home defense forget those two options. Instead spend the money on a nice 4 inch barrel Model 19 and a brace of Safariland speedloaders and get a belt setup so you can use it in IPSC revolver division....

I wasnt saying the Model 10 isnt a great gun, I LOVE mine! I love holding it, shooting it, looking at it, and hopefully wont ever need to use it in true defense, but I am perfectly comfortable in doing so... My point was that if I could have 10+1 in a comparable caliber for defense, and a bit longer barrel, I would be better under durress with that gun... (provided it was mine and I trained with it adequately)..

Well, my experience is that the older 9x18 guns are all incredibly reliable. They had to be. They were made for military and police use and were tested to ComBloc reliability requirements. The hotter Fiocchi 9x18 ammo supposedly approaches .38 Special fairly closely, as well. I own both a Makarov and a P-64 in 9x18, and have no qualms about carrying either for self-defense. I don't care for revolvers, though. They're just too slow and their ammo capacity too low.

I've been to J&G Sales myself. That's where I got my P-64. If you're choosing between a revolver and a CZ-82, buy a CZ-82, and also buy a P-64 for carry while you're there; they're only $160 (add the 22 pound recoil spring and the hammer spring kit to it as well). This gives you a common caliber and a good, solid concealed carry pistol that is as reliable as you could possibly want. I found my P-64 comfortable and accurate to shoot. Ammunitiontogo.com has 9x18 ammo starting at $10.50 a box, so you can afford to practice and be proficient with these pistols.

May I suggest you read this article prior to making your decision http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/shooting_the_Model 10 Defensively.htm

I have several K frame .38's. All of them are wonderful shooters and very capable of stopping a fight if push comes to shove. As my Father-in law loves to tell me "it's not the arrow it's the indian"

I love my CZ-82 and haven't any concerns with its reliability or accuracy. However, without saying people are bullet-proof or any such silliness, I do have much more confidence in the .38 special cartridge than I do the 9x18.

Back when Corbon loaded a 9x18 with defense in mind, I would have given the nod to the CZ-82, but I'm a little dubious with using a fmj for defense, especially when we're talking about the 9x18.
Though I wouldn't feel inadequately armed with a CZ-82 with 12 +1 rounds of 9x18 fmj, I personally wouldn't call upon it for defense if I had other options.

Snowdog, Silver Bear has a very nice 9x18 hollowpoint round. You're not just limited to FMJ.

WardenWolf, I was a big fan of both the 120gr and 115gr Silverbear JHPs when they were available (I posted penetration & expansion test results at TFL several years ago). I just can't warm up to today's 94gr Silverbear JHPs.

I will say that the 115gr Silverbear JHP I put through my CZ82 functioned just fine. If I had a reliable supply of these rounds, I would champion the CZ-82 to no end. I just don't have confidence in what's available now, whereas I see the .38 special SWCHP +P and 135gr +P Gold Dot SB as being the cat's meow from a snubnose revolver (with both being widely available).

Again, I do believe the CZ-82 to be a very well made, quality pistol. I simply look at today's 9x18 offerings (for defense) with scrutiny.

It is kind of amusing how many people on THR lose sleep over the FMJ/HP debate. I'm betting one FMJ 9x18 to the vitals is going to take the fight right out of 99% of the BGs out there. Literally ruin their day.

Than, the 1% that's not sure he's had enough, well he gets another 1 or 2 and then his dirty work is finished.

HP/defense rounds aren't going to make up for bad shot placement. Not saying one might not prefer to have HPs but a well placed FMJ has always got the job done. If you do your part so will the FMJ.

That's why having twice the rounds is desirable. Just in case we're not quite as accurate as we thought we'd be and the 1% that likes being shot.....Me personally, I'd still take 13 rounds of 9x18 FMJ to 6 - .38sp HP, just because of those 2 variables.......JMO

Now in a perfect world/scenario, of course one .38sp HP is going to outperform a 9x18 FMJ but if you hit the vitals with either, the difference is going to be insignificant.

Well, I went against the grain; and voted for the Smith & Wesson model 10.
Its a true, "American Classic"~! what else can be said~?

Between the two, I'd say the CZ-82. 9mm Mak is FINE for defensive purposes. 13 rounds is a lot of firepower, and mine is relatively accurate and always goes bang. I personally don't adore the ergonomics of it, but it's not THAT bad, and the black painted finish is a bit offputting, but that's really cosmetic.

Overall, for the price you'd be hard pressed to find a better gun than the CZ-82.

For around the house, model 10. Hands down.

'hipowersandhandguns' actually has 5 pages concerning the Makarov (9X18), none of them negative.
I've fired enough 9X18, .380acp and .38spcl (4" GP Ruger) into oak pallet target holders to know that I don't want to be in the way of any of them. this with cast slugs in all and fmj's in the 2 autos and jhp's in all. they all do impressive damage and penetrate about the same with the fmj's getting the nod - barely - over 158 cast .38 loads.
there's sure something to be said for the confidence-inspireing 'pointability' of the Mdl10 and the same for the CZ once practice brings skill level up - the 8 more shots.

I've owned several Model 10s over the years and love the gun. In 1992, I earned a Police Distinguished Expert Badge through the NRA with a Model 10. I also have a CZ 83 in 380 that is functionally one of the best guns I have ever owned. Its also a tack driver. Either of your choices are good.

Personally, I would choose something along the lines of a Walther PPK or a SW J Frame/Colt Detective Special. They are accurate, dependable, considerably lighter and smaller than your choices. I like to have my gun on me and have found the some are easier to carry than others.

I have a full size Colt for knocking around in the woods and if my only concern was home defense, I would choose a shotgun over a hand-gun.

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A liberal reporter once asked a local Sheriff who was attending a BBQ if he was expecting trouble, since he was wearing his side arm. The Sheriff replied, "No-mam, if I was expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."

Also check out the S&W model 15s that they have there.