A lesson in being too judgemental or How to be humbled.

Patriotme, I remember that story. I believe that similar cases have taken place here in the States when a single round of ammunition was found in a (gasp) school playground. The officials response was just like they had found a bomb big enough to take out the entire school. Imagine the drama CNN could inject into that. There was a thread a while back posted by a gentleman who works for a company that services the cash for coin machines that you see in most supermarkets now. He claimed the most common object that gets fed into and jams up the machines was a single round of .22 LR ammunition. Surely this would be the work of terrorists. But the one TSA story that clearly demonstrated how stupid these isiots are would have to be the case where they confiscated Jos Foss's Medal of Honor because they thought it might be used as a weapon (full dress medal, not the ribbon). What really angered Joe was the fact that they did not even know what the Medal of Honor was and that they were going to throw it in a trash can. You can't make this stuff up. We are in serious trouble when the President of the United States pins the Medal of Honor on a hero and then the TSA tries to throw it in a trash can. Wake up people.

I thought it was bad when they made me throw out a pair of needle-nose pliers when I was 14. (It was after 9/11)

That's why they put erasers on pencils.

I made the Leatherman mistake at the Atlanta Airport a few years ago. The TSA folks spotted it, and since I had plenty of time before my flight I went out of the security area, found a potted plant at the terminal and buried it. Returned a week later from my trip and recovered the tool.

Not recently, but I've flown with knives and ammo myself.

Everyone makes mistakes, but the hammer hits harder nowadays when ya do.

I don't think you should go to jail for being absent minded. The gun that the stewardess brought on the plane didn't hurt anyones, wasn't there for any malicious intention, everything is fine. I don't think she should be charged with anything. I don't have a problem with the OP.

Airport security should be just that, not LAW ENFORCEMENT. They are not there to enforce the law, but to secure the plane. See the difference??

There's a litttle more going on here than just a private property issue.

leadcouncil is right, sorry to say but the constitution does not apply to private individuals or private businesses. the constitution was designed to prevent government from making citizens into subjects. if the airlines want to ban gun from their planes, then so be it. the only things you can do is either live with it, take an air taxi, take the bus or train, drive, or charter a business plane to get you where you want to go. that way you dont have to deal with airport security. and while i too am all for law abiding citizens to carry concealed, in fact in my opinion if you get a concealed carry license in your state, then every other state should be required to honor that license, even california, new york, and illinois without a reciprocity agreement, just like they do a drivers license and automobile registration. but i also agree that there are times when the average person should not be carrying a weapon. in the courts, on commercial airplanes, and other similar places.

The airlines (a private corp.) are required to carry insurance (another private corp) to operate under licensing requirements by the U. S. Govt (not exactly a private corp. but it's getting closer every day). For many years the airlines did not have a problem with passengers carrying guns on an airliner. This was changed at the insistence of the airline's insurance carriers and legislation was passed into law making it ILLEGAL to carry a weapon on a plane. If you are caught carrying a weapon you will be arrested and charged and tried by the U. S. Govt., not the airlines. So who is setting policy and violating/not violating the U.S. Constitution here? The airlines may have a right to ban weapons but they do not have the authority to arrest and convict violaters. And somehow I don't believe if you are arrested for carrying a weapon onto an airliner the charge will be "tresspassing against a private corp. policy". The solution obviously would be to not do business with any private corp. that places its costs for liability and its deference to the insurance carriers wishes above any basic human rights recognized by our Constitution, but American citizens seem to be only too happy to surrender these rights so that they can stand in line and be overcharged and searched and screamed at because they want to "feel safe".

This kind of treatment was supposed to have been prohibited BY the government, not supported by it. Ammo is NOT A WEAPON. Unbelievable...

I've always been fond of pens and pencils as a disguised weapon. Cynic that I am, I wonder how many items seized as "contraband" go home with one of these working "security".

Just before 9/11 I flew back from Costa Rica with some buddies after a fishing trip and carried a fillet knife in my bag. I didn't know it was there.

We had planned on checking our luggage, but after a lengthy delay due to a broken plane, we carried everything on the plane.

Flew from San Jose to Miami. Spent a couple of hours in free hotel rooms at the airport because the airline screwed up. Then onward from Miami to National in D.C.

We get to National and my buddy the lawyer says, "Can I get my 7-inch fillet knife that I slipped into the zippered pocket on the side of your suitcase?"

There it was, almost a foot long and they all missed it.

Airport security...... Back when the National Guard patrolled the airports I asked one what harebrained individual had them using M-16's. He confided the guns were for show and were not loaded.

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As I've stated before I'm pro ccw, but you have to have reasonable restrictions

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Problem is, one side wants to outright ban carrying guns. Nothing less than complete prohibition is acceptable.

So many on the other side have adopted the position that you should be allowed to carry everywhere. Any restriction is unacceptable.

There appears to be little room for agreement between the two extremes as common sense and reason will be seen as weakness that will start a slide down a slippery slope.

I have not Flown since the late 1990's because I refuse to submit to the Feds and the Airlines nonsense! I remember dumping my pocket knife and ammo and folders in the tray at Love Field and in the LR AR Airport and never having a problem.

Drive or stay home if you can; I do feel for you guys that have to fly.

I had a demilled round on my key chain, and Dallas TSA confiscated that.

$3.00 mistake that will not be repeated.

Not airline related, but I remember reading a post from a LEO on some gun forum. He'd gotten a call that some folks on vacation had discovered AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE in their rental van! He got there, and the trembling legwetters showed him the shotgun shell rolling around under the back seat.

^My school went on high alert when someone saw some .22LR stuff on the ground by the gym.

Oh, right, I should add they were old, expended casings.

He confided the guns were for show and were not loaded.

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That frightens me as much as the tales of gov regulation run a muck. Sounds like an opp for some enterprising thug to steal an M16.

До свидания и спасибо за всю рыбу !?! Fish? What kind?

I've got a couple of goodies. A buddy of mine's dad had a P-38 can opener confiscated. He'd carried it since Korea.
I carried one of the little Swiss Army knives for years. On the way to the airport I thought to myself that I'd better leave it in the car. Remembered it again as I went throught the metal detector. You'd have thought it was a .44 mag the way they carried on.
As to what happens to the knives, last fall at the big Tulsa gun show a fellow had a table with THOUSANDS of small to not so small pocket knives. The sign said that they were from the TSA. And yes, I looked for mine.

flying planes is a international service provided for the public, if we choose to use this goverment given service then we follow there rules, If you have a problem with airport security then boycott it or get real, this thread has gotten off topic and i think if you want a thread war on airport security then make your own thread to get locked down, but dont lock the OPs thread because you are too lazy too start your own. Im withdrawing myself from this thread im sorry for getting this thread off topic in the first place.

that was really stooopid dude!