My age group...

They went on like this for about an hour saying things like:

"Oh man, those home defense rounds have gone bad. See how the bullet isn't as shiny as mine. I'd throw those out."

"The 38 special is the dumbest round ever. It's for girls."

"All 1911's have that scratch. It's from cleaning."

"I sleep with a 12ga in my room because buckshot won't penetrate my apartment walls."

"The ACR is way better than the SCAR, you should know that, you play *some video game*"

"My cousin is a Ranger and he says....."

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they were just emptying mag after mag as fast as they could making no attempts at accuracy

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Probly trying to see how fast they could shoot zombies. No I never seen these type of people... yet. But I did see some guy trying be cool with his shotgin with some 28inch barrel. He loads the magazine tube up then, points it MY WAY.......... Then puts one in the chamber and loads another. Woah scared me, finger was off trigger but still.

There is plenty of stupid to go around in all age groups. You can't blame it on age after about 25 or so.

I'm 35yrs old and gave up on 99% of the human race but especially my own generation years ago. I'm probably too young to be this cynical but here we are.

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Plus a million to this and I am only 26!

There is no respect for elders these days. I have a guy that I work with that is the same age as me and he calls everybody man regardless of age. I am always getting on him for it "If he has a few years on you call him sir not man." My father is a Marine Colonel and he would kill me if I called an older gentlemen man.

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Using the term "sir" in and of itself does not necessarily convey respect.

I spent 6 years in the Army and I can assure you that one can use the term "sir" and still be disrespectful and even show contempt or hatred or pity.

And the use of the term "man" is not necessarily disrespectful either.
it all depends upon how the terms are used.


Personally, I hardly ever call anyone "sir", even if they are older than myself.
Age alone does not make one my superior or earn my respect.

In case you're wondering, I'm 43 years old.

All my friends berate me for not having scopes and/or modern semiautomatic rifles, my one semiauto is 103years old... We mostly plink in a large sandpit/dump. Yesterday one of my friends texted me and said they had shot a propane tank which was a little fuller than estimated. no injuries luckly..


marsh

I have had sort of the opposite. At my range, we had a bunch of 'chuckle heads' breaking the rules. Some of the older members started seeking out the younger guys and asking us if they could see membership cards. None of them were ever rude, but just felt like my age bracket was getting a bad rep. That all changed when I got a Garand and started shooting that. A few people have commented on the rifle and it seems to have given me a little 'creditbility' as a younger shooter. I didn't buy the rifle to impress, it was just a pleasant side effect. Lots of milsurp collectors at the range. On a few occasions, I have had members approach me and ask to see my rifle. One I found out is the M1 Garand/M1A guru of this area. I have learned a LOT from him about all sorts of firearms INCLUDING AR-15's. I have gained a reputation as being 'one of the good ones.'

Aren't we all said:

All my friends berate me for not having scopes and/or modern semiautomatic rifles, my one semiauto is 103years old... We mostly plink in a large sandpit/dump. Yesterday one of my friends texted me and said they had shot a propane tank which was a little fuller than estimated. no injuries luckly..

marsh

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I am even younger than that, as I am only 18, and although I don't shoot at a formal range, there is a free area to shoot where several people around here go. When I go there, I am very polite to the older shooters, and occasionally if I get to know somebody enough, i even let them shoot my firearms. I do play video games, but that in no way gives me any information about guns. I picked up and fired my first rifle, shotgun, and pistol, long before I ever played video games. If i ever do any rapid firing, which is rare (it gets expensive), I do it when nobody is there. I have actually had several people comment positively on my weapons, even the AK and AR, which surprised me, because the group of guys that I hunt with think they are "pointless" or "crap" just because they aren't the most "traditional" firearms.

Don't ever apologize for your guns to some old codger (I can say that, being a borderline old codger myself!). Some guns are for business and some guns are for fun. If some older gent doesn't see the fun of blowing up cantaloupes with an AK, then it's his loss.

This is why I wear ear plugs AND muffs. You'd be surprised at how well ignoring people works in your favor. Try smiling while doing it

This is an intresting thread. I just read the whole thing start to finish. I am 30 yearsold and have been shooting for four months. I have three .22lr pistols and I just got a 9mm(that I haven't shot yet). I shoot at an indoor public range. The second time I went there I had three guys that couldn't hit a bus at 20 feet start talking about how .22s are not shot by real men and so on, after they saw me take a .22 out of my range bag. Normally I just let stuff roll off my back and could careless. But after about a half an hour of these guys go on and on I decided I just didn't want to deal with it that day and I packed up my stuff. While I was walking out the lady behind the counter asked me why I was leaving so soon and asked if I was having a problem with my firearm because she could help me out if I was. I told her I wasn't in the mood to deal with the guys in there so I was going home. Now she knows I am a new shooter because I tell them everytime I go in that I am new so please jump all over me if I am being unsafe. She told me to take a seat on the couch and hang out for a bit she would take care of it. I told her not to worry about I don't want them to loss customers over my thin skin. She said she doesn't want customers like that at her range. (Come to find out it is her range she owns the joint). Anyway she walks in there and is talking back forth with these guys, comes back out and gets a few targets, back in she goes and puts a target at about 30 feet. One of the guys empties his clip into it, she does the same for the other guys in the group. When they are done she pulls her sidearm and empties a clip into a target. They all compare targets and the guys pack there stuff and leave. She comes and says that was fun happy shooting. I asked her what that was all about. She tells me they want there range to be family friendly and guys like that aren't welcome. Instead of kicking them out. She tells them that if they can out shoot her at 35 feet they can each have a free range pass for one time. If she wins they leave for good. A lot of LE shoot at this range and almost as many females as males. It is great place to shoot and I have always felt safe. I have made a few friends there funny thing all of them could be my grandpa they are so much older than me.
I'm not saying complain to the people that run the range everytime someone is a jerk. Beating around the bush can be the best tactic sometimes. Ask the RO when your leaving if the group are regulars, find out if they shoot at a regular time so you can stay away. If the RO asks why you want to know (almost for sure they will) just say I don't like to shoot around jerks so I was hoping to see when I shouldn't come to the range.

I feel ya brother.

I'm 26 y/o and constantly reminded that im part of an inmature age group. I too, like others here, keep my pants at the correct height and wear my hat the correct way. I'm a professional Firefighter, so I try to act my age and set an example when Im out in public. I treat others with the respect they deserve. Yet I still get profiled at the range by gentlemen older than I and persons my own age.

I shot at the range this last saturday...I was unpacking my gear on the 21' pistol line and set my Glock19 on the bench 1st...not even two seconds goes by and a gentleman older than I says something like "You young guys love those glocks, ever shoot a nice pistol like this HK?" He had a fullsize HK USP45 stainless...he must have just bought it as he was VERY proud. Well, haha, I said "yup sure have, something like this?" And I unpacked my suppressed HK's. The look on his face was priceless.

You can't judge a book by its cover, you have to read it. And this couldnt be more true than observing someone at the range. I've been in your situation, where Billy Bob and his meth head cousin show up, unload, and proceed to bump fire a SKS in the lane next to you all the while talking up themselves in all thier "badassnes"

So yes, I agree that the problem is mostly the younger crowd, but the gents dont get a pass either. Just shake your head and move to a lane FAR away.lol

When I go to the range I’m not bothered by anyone. It could be what I wear a rather worn tiger stripe utility jacket, 3rd Marine Div hat, very dark sun glasses, and mutter to myself the whole time I’m there.

HAHA^^

TH3180 - that was one smart lady, and a good story!

I have three .22lr pistols and I just got a 9mm(that I haven't shot yet). I shoot at an indoor public range. The second time I went there I had three guys that couldn't hit a bus at 20 feet start talking about how .22s are not shot by real men and so on, after they saw me take a .22 out of my range bag.

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There's nothing like a .22 to tune your shooting skills. One thing bad shooters all have in common is that they don't shoot .22's.

Ok, so I've been that guy, took by brother out to the local range and got ran off the intermediate (shared pistol and rifle, cause he wanted to shoot the siaga 12 and the pistols) I don't generally get much from older shooters because this range is outside a military base, and I guess still look the part, but yeah, with him it was more about catching up and talking and having fun, little groups were second place. His wife is Canadian, and she likes guns well enough for 'useful' stuff like hunting. He doesn't get to shoot much, and never has been into it as much as me.

I got ran off for my pistol target being too close (yeah, I wasn't paying attention, thought it was a 7 min when it was a 15 yard minimum range) because I was trying to find where the hell my 'excellent' Century Arms Tokarev was hitting, turns out the barrel is shot, was rusted out and I didn't notice it before we went out.

Still, I do wonder sometimes when I see guys come out with super'duper fly guy stuff. Most of the military guys either have 'toys' that they put the 'neat' stuff on, or they set their weapons similar to what they are issued, you can tell.

I do get a kick out of the guys who set up targets at...6 yards and proced to paint some horrible groups on them with a variety of guns.

As a younger shooter myself (only 21) I understand how you feel when you go to the range, I always try to be respectful to my elders, saying sir and ma'am to everyone. But I do feel that we sometimes are looked down upon at the range by some of the older crowd, but generally when my friend and I go to the range we are just ignored, and as such keep to ourselves, without being loud or obnoxious.

I also have had to almost entirely teach myself about firearms as my father had no interest in them, and we never had guns around the house.

However, I understand that our generation can be rude and stubborn at times.

I am almost 70, and I shoot with a group of about 30 other geezers my age or so. Not one of us looks down on anyone because of their age group, or necessarily how you are dressed, although if the bill of the cap is in front and the crotch of the pants is where it is supposed to be it helps a little.

If you come out to the range and know what you are doing and play safe, you are welcome regardless of who you are. If you insist on being all stupid, then expect to get run off in short order.

I ran into a group of guys at the range today almost exactly like the OP described.
they were doing things like dumping mags at water bottles 10 yards away (and missing), using shooting positions like "standing on top of the bench," and talking about how their friend got in trouble for "filing down they firing pin of his semi-auto AR-15 so it would shoot full auto instead of 3 round burst"

The only difference is they were all 35-40 years old.

Now tell us how to get the younger guys to listen to us older guys, instead of acting like they know it all allready.

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I don't know. How did the older guys who taught your generation manage it?

Older people complaining that younger people think they know everything goes back to ancient Roman times, and probably well before that. My 70-year-old dad has plenty of stories of his elders shaking their heads about his generation...

Moving on. Kind of off topic, but has anyone else noticed that the tacticool crowd (yes, I'm one of them) has started using the term "tier 1" for weapons of choice?

You know, because of the tier 1 weapons in Call of Duty 4/2 Modern Warfare Reloaded: The Ambigiously Middle Eastern Conflict Simulator?

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The use of the term "Tier 1", "Tier 2," etc. to refer to the quality levels in the AR market doesn't come from Call of Duty 4; it predates the game by a long shot, and AFAIK comes primarily from serious AR shooters.

Tier 1 Manufacturers (M4carbine.net thread, 2006)

COD4 wasn't released until late 2007, AFAIK. "Tier 1" is usually used as a shorthand way to distinguish AR's on the left side of The Chart from those from the center and right side.

More "Tier 1" threads:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=24397
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5419
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=47045

And the many BTDT folks over there certainly didn't get their gun knowledge from COD4...

We have a nice public range but I will not go there on weekends. Too crowded and some look like the worst of Walmart customers. The range gets cleaned up and new target stands every Monday morning so a few of us old coots go every Tuesday and have the range basically to ourselves (4 or 5 shooters) all morning. If you go out Sunday PM the target stands have been reduced to mulch. I have some stands that I used for about 10 years and never ruined one. The public can reduce something nice to rubble in short time expecially when they think it's all for free.

im in that age group too (21 yrs old). i really wish that i had a range that i could go to because i have no friends that actually know anything about firearms and dont know anyone i would actually care to shoot with for safety reasons. i live out in the country and while it is nice to have a private range that never closes, (my back yard) i do wish that i could find a place to go shoot at a range and hopefully find some people that know what they are doing.

as far as the OP: i have noticed some of the age group bias. i spend a lot of time on the internet trying to learn what i can about various firearms, shooting posture, ballistics, etc. i consider myself a fairly knowledgeable person when it comes to guns but whenever i get into a firearms discussion i try to keep an open mind because i know that other people may very well know more than me, but i still run into people who tend to look down on me and not take me seriously because they asume i got all my info from video games. the frustrating part is that while i would almost expect this from some of the older shooters i run into but some times i get people my age that just laugh when i tell them something useful and ask "what game did you get that from?" i dont even LIKE video games!!! why shoot on t.v. when you can shoot for real?

I fall within the age group you mentioned (I'm 29) but I would go one further. I don't think this type of mentality is exclusive to the age group. There are a good number of people of all ages who will say anything simply for the pleasurable sensation they get from air passing over their vocal chords. To see this effect in action simply go to any gunstore anywhere and hang around for a couple of hours.