New bullet: "hypercav"

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loki.fish said:
In all honesty, I'll have to agree with They1 about the over penetration argument. If you're shooting in a direction in which an over penetrating bullet could injure/kill an innocent civilian, missing said target will just make it that much worse. I'm no ballistics expert, but even a smaller expanding bullet would hypothetically dump a large portion of energy into said target, thus if it manages to exit said target, the chances of it having enough energy to go through any walls and inflict damage to somebody else would be minimal.

If at all possible, why not put the possibility of dangerous over penetration to the test? Maybe set up some ballistics gel(sized to the average male torso), with average clothing in front of it, a typical home wall directly behind it, and see if over penetration will become a problem?
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Interesting thought...

I would have figured someone would have tested that issue by now. Anyone know of any over-penetration tests?

I know when I got hit with that .357, it passed through about 9~10" of muscle, and stopped laying on the ground about 6 feet in front of me. (A round that did not expand at all)

BTW: This may help; change the term "innocent civilian" to "potential collaborator". That way you won't feel so bad if you accidentally wing one of 'em.
 
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Extra large metplat flatnose

Interested as well.

I would like to see a comparison vs. an extra large metplat flatnose.
 
ljnowell said:
So, whats the deal here? Havent heard anything in a looooong time now!!
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Thanks or the inquiry.
Updates have been limited because there hasn't been much to report, and I'm really not much for small-talk.

Basically, everything we've tested to date has shown what we were intending-a more reliable bullet expansion within tolerances of original bullet design.

We're currently in negotiations with a manufacturer, and that appears to be a lengthy process.

Future testing will be limited on our end, most will be done by the new licensee within their R&D. However, I am interested, and have been working with 12ga Sabots to see what porting does with this round.
I'll keep you posted when results come around.
 
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However, I am interested, and have been working with 12ga Sabots to see what porting does with this round.
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Sweet.

Would love to see how a non-expanding HCed HP would compare to a soft-lead nosed cast boolit. I wonder what the damage would be if you were hit with a cast wadcutter instead of a non-expanding HP.
 
It has indeed been a bit. :)

That's awesome news! I hope you are now able to reap some fruit from all the effort I'm sure you've put into this.
 
Seems like a very interesting concept. When it comes to market i will have to check some out, please let us know what it'll be called, and when it'll be available.
 
Well, it has been a lot of work, but well worth it just to develop the idea. It's nice if you can make a buck also. :)

Note that all the business dealings will be in the Manufacturer's hands. Ultimately, I don't know if they'll keep the name, but frankly, for the right price they can call them "Funtime and Happiness" bullets. :))

If all told to schedule, HC should be available sometime in 2011 (maybe late year?).
 
Glad for you, I knew it was going to be a grind. It's just so hard to bring anything to market now that that is the only way to go. Trying to do it yourself, "as we discussed" is just too demmanding. Let me and the rest know when they come out.
Gym
 
Is it possible that the holes only reduce the weight of the bullet? Might give it a little more velocity and energy. Air, like any other gas, can't move faster than the speed of sound (at pressure and temperature conditions). So a supersonic bullet should be pushing the air away from it and none would be passing through the small holes. It seems to me that once the bullet hits something the holes will be quickly plugged and will not allow flow of liquids or whatever else is expected to pass through them. the deformation of the bullet would be closing the holes anyway. Sorry if this has already been discussed, I did not read all 14 pages. If these are loaded at subsonic velocity there may be some air passage through the bullet in flight.

All that said, I wish you well in your venture. From a commercial aspect they may do very well.
 
what i see is more or less typical expansion with borderline jacket separation, and a bullet on the borderline of breakdown and loss of mass. as the bullet degrades, and penetrates further, mass loss, coupled with energy loss is bound to occur, further reducing penetration. I would suggest at the minimum, a cannalure to halt expansion at a predetermined point. Major bullet manufacturers incorporate a swaged interlock system to retain bullet integrity. Inventing a new wheel in the world of ammo is laudable, however you are up against major companies with serious R & D labs and dollars. best of luck to you
 
The weight difference is trivial. I too would like to see how it fairs in the 'FBI' test, but clogging is a problem all true HPs are susceptible to.

gun guy, a HCed HP could certainly be bonded as well. As for 'over expansion', it's just important to use a bullet design within the right velocity parameters -- really easy in the handgun world compared to the rifle world (where you may shoot a deer from 50m to 500m).
 
I dunno. But his website is "terminated" due to outstanding bills, if that says anything.
 
I think we can safely assume that a HC HP bullet did not expand with greater reliability or sufficiently greater reliability than a non-HC HP.
 
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