CZ Pistol Dislikes - voice 'em

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I once had a CZ 75B SA .40.....

The slide was kind of difficult to rack because it is small and rides inside the frame instead of over the frame.

The sights were a bit on the tiny side.

The trigger had a rather long pull and a very long reset...not a good thing.
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That's the only CZ I would have interest in. But the same drawbacks you listed have kept me away. And, I'm not fond of their huge trigger guard.
 
I have an Omega and haven't had any trigger issues yet - knock on wood.

My griefs:

- The Omega and SP-01 beavertails are the only ones that don't dig into my hand with a high grip. A standard 75B would be blister city for me.
- The safety is too damn far forward and too damn small, compared to a 1911's. Nearly impossible for me to engage or disengage without shifting my firing grip on the gun.
- There's not much of an aftermarket or a holster market. Be forewarned.
- The slide is noticeably more difficult and slower to manipulate than a standard outside-the-frame slide. If you're into competition, this would probably be a much bigger drawback for you than it is for me.
 
I've never met an affordable pistol with a great or even better than good trigger. Easy solution and probably just as cost effective - go out and shoot it. Even if the trigger itself doesn't improve, at least you'll become more familiar with it and will learn to work around it. I was very fortunate to find a used one that had been smoothed out and some of the other mentioned inadequacies resolved, specifically the hammer camming and the often mentioned gritty trigger. The DA on mine is awesome with a smooth pull to a clean break, and the SA is crisp with little creep, a clean break, and is fairly light at about 2-1/2#. But, even if you aren't as fortunate as I was to get a nicely broken in model (for a steal, I might add), just go out and shoot it. It will either (a) smooth out after several hundred rounds, (b) you'll get used to it and won't notice it over time, or (c) you can spend the money to get the shop to work on it and make it feel like a gun you've owned for years. I prefer to shoot mine.
 
I don't own one, but I have shot a few and handled too many at gun shops.

I don't like:
Not the great value they used to be.
The black enamel (IIRC) looks kind of cheap to me and older ones I have handled seems to wear easily. Would love to park one of these.
It's harder to find accessories for. Like grips.

These pistols are about to become a whole lot more popular. They are one of the featured sidearms in the new Call of Duty: Black Ops game.
 
It might be the 75 Machine Pistol in COD: BOPS

You can see the forward grip in some of the trailers.

I guess we will know for sure next month")
 
The only thing I can say is that what the trigger feels like out of the box isn't what it will feel like after getting broken in, everything CZ that I have owned has started off extreamly tight. As far as the barrel wear goes I know that they run tight, my CZ 452 (.22lr rifle) and my p-07 required me to use smaller cleaning jigs. There barrels are hammer forged, as far as I know thats the best way to make a barrel.
 
Cz 75b ss

1. I object to spending additional money to improve the trigger of my 75B---or any gun, for that matter. You mean to tell me that in this day and age of CNC a reasonably good trigger can't be produced right out of the box?

2. The slide of my 75B sure is slippery to "slingshot."

3. Magazine brake.

4. Painted finishes of my CZ-82s.

But I love 'em, especially the CZ82s!
 
Those stats are not comforting to me at all. An expected service life of only 30,000 rounds!!! There are numerous accounts of Glocks, Browning Hi-Powers and 1911's exceeding 200,000 rounds.
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Other than the GLOCK, I'd like to see some citations for this round count. We were scrapping out 1911 frames after about 50,000 rounds due to frame cracks. MTBF was stated as 25k rounds. My wife's agency was seeing Sigs with frame cracks at around 20-30,000 round and were replacing guns about every 5-6 years (they are going to GLOCKS).

30,000 round service life is probably typical of any alloy framed major caliber auto.
 
9mm 75B: well over 23K rounds - shoot light loads, most 124/125 gr JHPs

-Mag brake: Fixed with a hammer and anvil at about 300 rds, personal preferences, --free
-Replaced sights at about 3K rds, F.O. front, larger black rear, personal preferences-- $80
-Replaced 3 springs for personal trigger/ammo preferences @ 3K rds-- $20
-Replaced grips with aluminum grips @ 3k rds , personal preferences -- Home made, free
-Rear sight broke @about 19K rds-- free replacement by CZ Custom Shop
-Slide stop broke @ about 20K rounds --$30 for new improved version

Re Hammer camming: fixable with optional hammer (with different hammer hooks).
re Grips: numerous options available in plastic, rubber, aluminum and cocobola hardwood
re Sights: Several options available in fixed or with adjustable rear
re Mag Brake: Optional drop-free mag brake available or flatten the 'bend' that retains the mag when released.

I'm not selling CZs. In the just finished USPSA National Match CZ came in second to a Glock followed by three S&Ws, a Beretta, and more in the top 10. These were all accurate reliable pistols in a tough run&gun competition.

My personal preferance is for a steel/alloy gun with a hammer that can be fired DA/SA or SA when cocked and locked. I own a 100% reliable Sig DA/SA but prefer the CZ.
 
jmr40 said:
Despite CZ's carefully worded deceptive ads CZ pistols are rarely used except in a few third world country's and by a few guys on the internet. There is only 1 gunshop within 100 miles of here who carries CZ pistols and you cannot give away used ones.
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Couple points. First is that there is no longer such thing as a "third world". The term was used to describe the three worlds during the Cold War by the West. 1st = Capitalist nations, 2nd = State Socialist nations, 3rd = Periphery. Even by using the classic definition, you'd still be off as all the slavic and State Socialist nations would be the 2nd world. Small niggle, but it's an interesting little fact.

I don't know where you live, but here in SW Washington State, they carry them at Cabelas, and 3 of 4 local gun stores. I also see tons of them at our recurring gun show at the Puyallup fair grounds.

As to the thread, in my local shooting group there's been an SP-01 (friend's) and a P-07 Duty (mine). The P-07 duty has been the most reliable handgun even over a P226 and an XD-9. I've put at *least* 3k rounds through it, about 1k of which were slightly dirty reloads, and I've not had a single malfunction. Even a friend who chronically limpwrists hasn't had a malfunction while shooting it. The gripes in the group have been a not great trigger on the SP-01, the small slides, and a couple malfunctions with the SP-01.
 
Oh, you know when you ask for criticism, you are going to get some counterpoints, too. I just spent the afternoon shooting my 1976 production short rail CZ75. Almost sacrilege to fans that would put it in a safe and just take it out and fondle it every now and then. But, I discovered that it did indeed shoot well when I first got it, and it is a complete guilty pleasure to shoot it. I have done nothing to it, but today found out that the original numbered magazine, which did NOT get the recent upgrade of Wolff springs that three other mags did (their springs come in packs of 3) started to balk, and caused feed jams. Well, it IS 34 years old. I grabbed another, re-sprung magazine, and voile, fed like a champ! This gun required no sighting in at all, has a rich blue finish, and the classic good looks. It is one of the few guns that I have been able to put into play, as-is, with everything "right". I will not blame the magazine.....a little age does it's thing to each of us. Easy fix. The fit, the feel, the performance. It is all there. I like my Walther P99, and my Browning HP's, and my later CZ75 (the longer rail pre-B model), but this one has it all. Simple and elegant. It may someday break a slide stop, and I may even see if a good smith can modify a current, stronger slide stop to look like the original, as a backup, but that is all I can see that would ever take down this pistol. It is "easy/deadly" at 25 yards.
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my factory rubber grips were horrible. I'm looking for a replacement now.

I want a CZ in 10mm. I want a compact framed CZ, in 10mm with a light rail, decocker and night sights.

The 97B is bleh.
 
KaceCoyote said:
I want a CZ in 10mm. I want a compact framed CZ, in 10mm with a light rail, decocker and night sights.
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Agreed. I gotta wonder if the CZ 75 Compact .40 could be re-chambered ... and maybe Witness mags modified to work. Maybe use the Witness compact 10mm recoil spring as well.

But frankly just buying a Witness and having it refinished (GOD I detest the "Wonder Finish") and tweaking it a bit would probably be the way to go there. Of course its still not got a rail.
 
So you basically want a Bren10? The gun was heavily influenced by the CZ-75, which the great Col Cooper opined was a great gun except for caliber.

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BTW, Vltor appears to be continuing with their attempt to revive the Bren 10 under the name Fortis.

Here's the last thing Vltor had to say on the project

There has been a lot of talk about the delayed release of the Bren Ten, and trust me when I say we have been listening. We had shut this site down when we turned everything over to Sporting Products, but we feel it is time to get back in touch with everyone and let you get the word straight from the source – I feel that we have not only a responsibility to be the ones that tell you about this, but we have an obligation to tell you why.

Earlier this year, Abrams Airborne Manufacturing (the parent company of Vltor) received a large contract from the U.S. Marine Corps for the M-32A1, Multiple-Shot Grenade Launcher; additionally, we had received other smaller orders for the Grenade Launcher from other DOD and military organizations. Given the critical need and immediate demand for these weapons, we shifted a great deal of our resources towards getting these done.

This brings us up to just a few weeks ago… we were faced with a really tough call, but one that simply had to be made: we were just not satisfied with the one of the castings. After assembly and testing of the production pistols, parts of the pistol design just did not meet our expectations. Keep in mind, we made many changes to the internal mechanism of the new Bren, and the problem that we were seeing is not a quality or material problem, it is simply that we knew that we could make the final product better. So we are.

This is a set-back, but is not a show-stopper… I know that all of the explanations and reasons in the world are not going to please some folks, and we do not blame those of you that are disappointed or even angry. Just think how we feel about this, the Bren has always been a labor of love for us, the only reason we are doing this is because we all here really believe it is something that needed to be done.

I do want to say that from the start, we have never taken any down payments or reserved a serial number – we have not even taken a purchase order from the distributor yet. We are still engaged in this and we have as much desire and enthusiasm devoted to this as anyone – I hope that you can hang in there a little while longer, we are opening the blog back up and it will be the point of contact from here on out.
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source: http://vltor.wordpress.com/
 
SharpsDressedMan,

Your post #92, about that rare, early, gorgeous, glossy blued, most desirable, short railed, super fine CZ beauty . . . . . . I HATE YOU MAN :neener:
 
I hate CZ pistols, absolutely detest them so much I am giving 3 away on my website for Christmas... :)
Tried 'em all, CZ fits me better and works better than any other.
I would like to see a 10mm CZ 97, factory says not likely right now. I'd also like to see a 97 in 38 Super, highly unlikley. Better if we could get the 92 25 auto subcompact made here in .32 or .380, would be very nice. But more things are coming from CZ...
Oh, as for third world countries, yes, the Phillipene National Police force is a third world country, I guess, just dumped Glock for the P-07.
 
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