Help with CZ 75

[johnandersonoutdoors]

So I learned something about my M&P 9 recently. It will auto forward when the mag is inserted with any force at all. I began reading and see that most, if not all, polymer guns will do it. I dislike this and I am thinking about moving on.

I am thinking that maybe the CZ steel/aluminum frames would prevent this. Does anyone know if the CZ 75 compact and/or CZ 75 D PCR compact are known to auto forward when a magazine is inserted with a lot of force?

Also, I am not sure if I understand the various models that they offer. Some have manual safety and some have a decocker? Can anyone explain exactly how the two models mentioned above operate?

Thanks in advance.

 

[RedBowTies88]

If you hit it hard enough and enough times any autoloader will do this, unless maybe you hold it upside down. This has nothing to do with polymer vs. metal guns.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

It CAN happen with almost any semi-auto if the magazine is inserted with enough force. (If nothing else, the slide lock/stop is being moved by inertia, and disengaging from the notch on the slide.)

If you consider it a problem, be more gentle when you insert a loaded mag.

I PREFER this action; when I had a Glock 34, it would do it 100% -- and I loved it. It saves a step and shouldn't be considered a "safety" issue, as you finger shouldn't be on the trigger until you're ready to fire....

 

[jmr40]

It is a positive feature, not a problem. Most Glocks will do it too, and I like that they do.

 

[Fishbed77]

So I learned something about my M&P 9 recently. It will auto forward when the mag is inserted with any force at all. I began reading and see that most, if not all, polymer guns will do it. I dislike this and I am thinking about moving on.

It's just physics. It usually means you are smacking the mag base plate too hard. Steel-framed guns will do this too. I've had it happen with 1911s.

 

[viking499]

The CZ 75 alloy frame comes in a PCR (75D) and a P01. The biggest difference between the PCR and P01 is that the P01 has a light rail and a PCR does not. There are also a few other small differences. Both with decockers. Steel frame compact comes with a safety and no light rail. You can also get a P07 which is a poly framed gun. I prefer the alloy or steel.

You can get a P01 from CZ custom with a safety, but it comes with a price.

I have both a PCR and P01. Both are great guns. Never had the auto forward happen, but I don't force my mags in.

I also had an M&Pc. I prefer the CZ's.

 

[johnandersonoutdoors]

Believe me guys I am not slamming mags home. I am inserting the mag with little more than enough force to actually seat the mag. It is auto forwarding left and right and I just don't like it.

That is why I was asking CZ 75 owners if it happens to them. I have heard you can make any auto loader do it, including 1911s. But that is not the point either. If it happens once in a blue moon on a steel framed gun compared to all the time with a polymer, then I think I will move to a steel frame. That is why I am trying to find out from those guys with steel frame guns if it happens "relatively" infrequently.

Thanks.

 

[Pilot]

I have two CZ's. A 75B, and 75D PCR, plus the excellent Kadet Kit .22 conversion. The issue you are having does not happen with any of my CZ's.

 

[viking499]

Like I said, I have never had it happen on mine. Not saying that it never will, but hasn't yet.

 

[johnandersonoutdoors]

Thank you Pilot and Viking499, I appreciate the feedback. Roughly how many rounds through your CZ's?

Anyone here with a CZ and find that it does auto forward on mag insertion? Or is it safe to say that it would be much rarer than on polymer gun (especially M&P which I now know is sensitive to this)?

 

[italy4nra]

I agree with the posters. Not a polymer vs metal issue, although part wear might contribute. My two Glocks didnt start to display this feature until their second year. I was happy when they did. Most of the range guns do and they are all 1911s and Berettas.

You could call this a "use it and gain it" feature phenomenum.

 

[Pilot]

I don't know a round count on my CZ's, but I've had the 75B since 1998, and it goes to the range a lot, my PCR since 2000. The PCR is my carry gun, so lower round count but still a decent amount over the last 13 years. No worries.

 

[mumbo719]

Never had an auto forward in my CZ's

Had an M&P 40c and I much prefer CZ.

 

[mdThanatos]

I have owned 2, only one 1 now, CZs. One was a .40 CZ75B the other is a CZ75BD Police in 9mm. Both auto forward when inserting a magazine with force. If you just push the magazine in and don't slam it in it won't. I have never had a poly pistol do it except for my M&P45. I have owned 3 Glocks and 4 XD variants that never auto forwarded even when trying to see if they would.

 

[Kiln]

Never had it happen with my CZ75 and I've got a couple thousand rounds through it.

If you're in the market for a CZ75 and have an Academy nearby you can get a Tristar L120for $350, which is a CZ75 clone that runs about $150 cheaper than the real deal. I bought the Tristar C100 (compact) and it has performed perfectly. The fit and finish are also very good, I hate to say it but the finish on my C100 is better than the satin finish on my CZ75B.

 

[needmorecowbell]

Never has happened on my 75b nor P01, but now I'm intrigued. Gunna see if I can do. I agree with some of the others, I'd be happy if they did. Hadn't heard of this before.

 

[ku4hx]

I began reading and see that most, if not all, polymer guns will do it.

Starting in 1991, we've acquired thirteen polymer framed semi automatics from four manufacturers and we've never had an "auto forward" situation. I guess we're just lucky (or unlucky) gunners.

With enough force I guess they will, just never seen it.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

FWIW, I don't recall my PCR's slide "auto-forwarding." Even if it does, as long as the round does chamber I don't worry about it. Chances are if I slam a magazine home I was planning to reload anyway.

 

[Jim Watson]

Well, MY CZ75 "pre-B" will auto close maybe half the time under IDPA conditions of a 10 round in 15 cap. magazine hasty reload. Enough to be annoying, not enough to be useful like my Plastic M&P which does it (nearly) all the time.

I have READ that it is less prevalent with a full magazine. And, of course, if you are not hard seating the mag in a hurry, it won't close.

 

[792mauser]

My first cz75 never did but my new '03 75B does it on occasion. It kinda became a game to see when it will do it. Other than that "issue" is been totally reliable.
The glock 23 I have does it almost every time, the beretta m9, as well my 2 norinco 1911's do it.
The only exception seems to be my 226 she has never once auto forwarded.

 

[VAPOPO]

Neither my P01 or 75B do this and my pre b never did either. Come to think of it none of my auto's ever have, issued or my own property and that has been a bunch of differant guns from Remington Rand 1911's through Beretta, SIG, S&W Steel frame 5906 or CZ's. If it did happen it wouldnt be a big deal as long as it doesnt mis feed.

 

[BlindJustice]

The CZ 75 was introduced in 1975.

In the early '90s, when the Inron curtain fell, and export became much
easier CZ added the "B" suffix

CZ 75B has a frame mounted thumb safety so it can be carried Condition One like a 1911. To switch to DA for the first shot, the user has to manually drop the hammer.

Later the CZ 75BD was created, the thumb safety function was
replaced, internal change and that lever became a Decocker.

So, I wouldthink any of the CZ 75 Variants with the D suffix have a decocker - there's also a CZ 75 variant that is Sinagle Action Only SAO.


Ihave a CZ 75B and am not familiar or have tried other CZx.

Great andgun, uber reliable, accurate and gits the hand.

CZ USA has a great website and lists the speccifications, go figure it out.

Randall

 

[Walt Sherrill]

So, I wouldthink any of the CZ 75 Variants with the D suffix have a decocker - there's also a CZ 75 variant that is Sinagle Action Only SAO.

Not all decocker models have a "D" in the model name, and the newer series of guns, using the Omega trigger system (including some steel/alloy framed models, and the new P-07 and P-09] give the user the option of easily switching from safety to decocker functions at home.

While there are several variants of the SAO models (some from the CZ Custom Shop), any DA/SA (with safety) model can be easily converted to SAO by removing the disconnector. The SAO models have a two-way adjustable trigger,that can be adjusted for both takeup and overtravel, and come from the factory with larger, ambidextrous safety levers; they also have an extended beavertail and slightly different slides.

All models, except the 85 Combat, come equipped with the CZ firing pin block.

 

[Apple a Day]

Mine's never done it.

 

[Destructo6]

"slam charging" will occur on just about any autoloader, if you hit it hard enough.

It is not reliable and should not be relied upon.

I've personally seen people induce a host of malfuctions while trying to get the weapon to slam charge: stove pipe live round, knock live rounds out of the mag & backward in the chamber, letting slide slam forward on an empty chamber, etc.

I've also seen numerous people waste time, whacking the bottom of the seated magazine, trying to get the weapon to slam charge instead of using a 100%reliable means of sending the slide forward (slingshot/slide release).

In my book, if it happens, I'll go with it, but I'll plan and practice to send the slide forward with the slide release.