When does a C&R become economically worthwhile?

It is $30 for three years.... I made that up in two trips to www.midwayusa.com

I want a C & R. What do I need to do to get one?

Around here, most FFL transfers are thirty bucks, so the initial cost was recouped on the very first order. Also saved a lot on orders from Brownell's and others.

However.... I wouldn't say my C&R saved me any money, as it became so much easier to order guns right to my door.

I saved way more than the $30 on my first primer order from Graf's. A lot of places give a good discount, Midway for me hasn't been one of them.

Ol scratch, check this out for license information.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

Around here, most FFL transfers are thirty bucks, so the initial cost was recouped on the very first order. Also saved a lot on orders from Brownell's and others.

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As long as those guns met the CV&R criteria, you are correct..............just for clarification, a C&R is not acceptable for modern guns to be shipped directly to you - the savings is from, as mentioned, those places where you get a "dealer" discount and for buying guns meeting the C&R dates

Aside from the hassle, what is the annual cost of a C&R that you would need to factor in to see if it was worthwhile?

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I usually get my moneys worth with one order each from Midway and Brownells, even if I don't buy any guns.

I need to hurry up and send in my paperwork. In Nevada, its payed for in one gun, after the ffl transfer and the $25 Nevada charges you for the background check. Then again, I am sure I will start purchasing many more guns costing me more money

In California it paid for itself the first C&R rifle I bought. As far as being economically worthwhile. . .well, hell, SHOOTING is not economically worthwhile. You might as well shred dollar bills and blow them out the barrel. If you want something economically worthwhile, don't shoot or buy boats (a hole in the water lined with fiberglas you throw money into) or take up SCUBA or skiing or any other "equipment" sport.

My C&R usually pays for itself within the first purchase after renewal.
If you purchase more than one C&R firearm (that you would have purchased regardless), it begins to be worthwhile from an economical standpoint.

The reality of C&Rs are more like this: The C&R pays for itself on the first purchase and then the C&R holder purchases 10 C&R items that they wouldn't otherwise have purchased.

It's right there in your pocket as you wander around-sales, shops, random encounters, whatever.

All for a crummy 10 bucks a year.

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What is "C&R"?



Is that the same as having an FFL?


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What is "C&R"?

Is that the same as having an FFL?

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The following links describes C&Rs and their uses fairly well:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp
http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html

my C&R is $30.00 for 3 years and paid for it self on my first buy.

So let me get this straight...

The C&R license, which is much easier to get and keep than a regular FFL, qualifies with Graf and other dealers for their "FFL discount".


Is that a correct statement?

a C&R is a limited type of FFL. A lot of companies don't demand that you have a dealer's license, just an FFL of some sort.

The discount has saved me plenty already. With transfers here starting at $25, plus the time and gas, it will pay for itself again with the first actual firearm.

You get a discount with your 03FFl at SOME suppliers, others may not since it's not a "real'' FFL to them since you are a collector, not a dealer.

Just remember it's for you to ADD to your collection, not start buying and selling C&R firearms as a source of income... you can sell them, just make sure it doesn't appear to a nosy ATF agent that you are doing it to make a great deal of profit.

Buy two firearms and it pretty well pays for itself, it aint a big hassle, you do have to keep a "bound book" record but you can buy those online or use a three ring binder as well.

So let me get this straight...
The C&R license, which is much easier to get and keep than a regular FFL, qualifies with Graf and other dealers for their "FFL discount".
Is that a correct statement?

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Yes it is.

I've never seen a C&R eligible firearm on Midway's site or in their catalog (that I couldn't get cheaper anywhere else at least) but the discounts on everything else is sure worth it.

Midway, to the best of my knowledge doesn't deal in firearms, and as a GunSmith supply the have receivers and some frames (and the rest of the parts) but no "complete" firearms

Oh, the economics,
it pays for its self on the first 'dealer' order

What hassle in getting a C&R? My latest renewal took 10 minutes, and that included making a copy to send to my local police chief (the CLEO).

Discounts from Brownells, Midway, Grafs, and others quickly recoup the $30 cost (per three years) even if you never buy a C&R firearm using it.

Aside from the hassle, what is the annual cost of a C&R that you would need to factor in to see if it was worthwhile?

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I haven't seen any "hassle" beyond that of filling out the application and sticking a stamp on the envelope.

Yes, you do have to keep records of the firearms you buy, but it's no more than what most people do with their guns anyway. Yes, in theory the ATFE can ask to examine your records. I can't say I've never heard of it happening, but I can't really say I have either. I sure don't worry about it much.

I have gotten a call from the ATFE once. They told me I had made a mistake when I filled out the renewal form. They sent me a new form, marked where I'd made a mistake, sent a letter authorizing me to continue to use my old license until I got my renewal. I used to get mail from them once in while, but haven't lately.

Worth it? It's worth $10.00 a year just to say, 'Why, yes. I do have a 'firearms license.'"

I held an C&R license about six years ago, then I moved several times in a two year period and became a hassle just to send in the paperwork for change of address.

However, during the time I did have it, it was great (my wife didn't think so when a load of Mosin Nagants would show up at my house). Good discounts from Midway and some of the other more familiar gun-related folks.

I am now settled in a permanent residence and have thought about getting another C&R, but funds are tight right now.

Getting it was no hassle at all since I live in Texas. I know other states will not allow it.

Not counting the C&R firearms I ordered and had shipped directly to myhome, the discounts from some suppliers was very significant.

Over the last couple of years I have built several AR types, and at current C&R license renewal rates, have saved enough to pay for renewals for the rest of my natural life. I saved over $200 on one scope alone and have not kept up with savings on all the smaller purchases.

It's definetly worth it. I have not made an actual C&R purchase in well over a year now.

So let me get this straight...

The C&R license, which is much easier to get and keep than a regular FFL, qualifies with Graf and other dealers for their "FFL discount".


Is that a correct statement?

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Here is a nice list of companys that offer a discount with a C&R

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=252960&highlight=c&r+dealers

If you are talking about a "regular" FFL I assume you mean an 01. Remember that there technically is no such thing as a "regular" FFL. There are several different categories numbered from 01 (dealer) to 02 (pawnbroker) to 03 (collector) to 07 (manufacturer) to 08 (importer) to 09 (dealer in destructive devices).

Many companies don't differentiate and just accept any FFL for discounts.