Elmer Fudd, the not-so-savvy gunseller...

there is a huge difference between the hunter who looks down on people who own non hunting guns and women who own guns and the hunter who just chooses not to own other guns or take an interest in other types of guns because he has never seen a need for them

Elmer is a terrible salesman.

"fine choice! ... would you like some ammo with it?"

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That's still terrible...he should suggest: "Take a look at this video from Crimson Trace. See how these grips work?" That alone adds something like $300 to the gun.

"Don't forget this Galco holster, speed loader pouch, cleaning kit, deleading kit, special wipe rag, safety glasses and new hearing protection! Buy these targets and this tactical ruler to measure your groups."

A few years ago at a customer appreciation day a local gunshop holds annualy, I was taking a breather with a fellow member of the Oregon Hunters Association. I was in my late 20's then, he in his late 50's. We got to talking and he expressed his frustration to me about AR-15's stating that, "they" should never had "allowed" the AR-15 to be sold on the civilian market, that it was too "powerful and dangerous".

Must be the clean air in Montana, but I've never met or heard a Fudd here. I've heard some guys in gun departments who barely knew up from down, but I just ignore them.

I'm old and crotchety, but always figured that the more people that (legally) shot whatever they wanted to shoot the better for all shooters. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I had an FFL, and had one regular customer I liked to jab occasionally because he was a whiner. He had a K frame S&W .357 with either a 4 or 6 inch barrel and complained about the recoil. I pointed out that my step-daughter had the same gun but with a 2 1/2" barrel, and that she shot full power .357 loads with no complaint and well too. Not nice maybe, but funny. This guy had met the step-daughter and knew she was hardly a big girl too.

Anyone in ANY store selling anything who treats customers with contempt is looking to be out of a job or out of business, especially with a shaky economy.

When he said/asked "what does a lady need a gun like that for?"...the response should be"what was I thinking!...spending all that money."..as you are leaving...heading for another shop.

Mark

And of course the corollary to Elmer Fudd would be Tony Tacticool, who thinks that revolvers, bluing, and walnut stocks are hopelessly old-fashioned.

Walnut stocks are old fashioned. Don't get me wrong, they look pretty and all. The first rifle I got was a M1A with a 22 inch barrel and walnut stock that looks straight out of 1958, but wood on a rifle is pretty old fashioned.

One man's "old fashioned" is this gal's "classic". To each their own.

I think it is bad form to tie age in with being a Fudd.

While it is true that many Fudds are older, the accepted definition of being a Fudd has always been more of mindset not age. I have met quite a few younger Fudds with the "what do you NEED that for?" attitude.

The Fudd is a person who usually just hunts, has one or two long guns, and that is it. The issue would end there, but whenever given the opportunity a Fudd will sound off very loudly and vocally against all the other aspects of the shooting community he doesn't like. There is no rational discussion to be had with him, his mind is made up, he does not realize that when WE allow one domino to fall or go unaided in our gun rights, WE put all of them at risk.

I don't hunt much or often....but I support hunting 100%.

I CCW and Open Carry....and suppport those issues 100%.

I have many hi-cap magazines...and I support the owning of them 100%.

I have many semi-auto rifles....and I support the owning of them 100%.

I do not own any Class 3 weapons.....but I support them 100%.

I don't care for all the tacti-cool accessories and rifles....but I support them 100%.

You can support all or nothing....sometimes we seem to be our own worst enemies. The Fudd unfortunately we could do without.

No............maybe Elmer is a regional thing.

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Fudds are certainly not just a regional thing.

They are our single biggest internal problem, as far as state and national level politics go. For the most epic Fudd Fail in recent memory, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo

You can see where that kind of thinking is absolutely detrimental to furthering 2A politics to where the founding fathers intended, by driving a massive wedge into the middle of the shooting community.

As far as they're concerned, so long as they can keep their bolt action hunting rifles and "sporting" shotguns, they don't care what happens to other guns. This kind of short sighted and selfish thinking is why the UK is such a joke, and how the AWB of '94 got passed.

As far as they're concerned, so long as they can keep their bolt action hunting rifles and "sporting" shotguns, they don't care what happens to other guns. This kind of short sighted and selfish thinking is why the UK is such a joke, and how the AWB of '94 got passed.

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If they can get a federal ban on evil black rifles, they'll go after the bolt action "sniper rifles" next: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/snipcov2.pdf. Notice the date when the VPC put that out, May of 1999. They talk about a lot more than just .50 BMG rifles in there, I came away with the impression they wanted to add .308 and up caliber rifles of any action type to the NFA registry.

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If they can get a federal ban on evil black rifles, they'll go after the bolt action "sniper rifles" next: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/snipcov2.pdf. Notice the date when the VPC put that out, May of 1999. They talk about a lot more than just .50 BMG rifles in there, I came away with the impression they wanted to add .308 and up caliber rifles of any action type to the NFA registry.

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This, of course, is the natural next result when started down that slippery slope.

For those of you who have not encountered a Fudd, I submit to you that you haven't ventured far enough outside of the political correctness of your gun conversations at your local shop. Take this for example:

A year or two ago, I was at my local shop when a sexagenarian was examining a single-shot shotgun that had a large dent in the barrel. The item was being offered at a discount- like $99 as a fixer-upper. I would have been very difficult to get the dent out of the barrel and the dent was below the 18" 'mark'. Pretty much the only way to fix the gun would be to chop the barrel. I quipped to the sexagenarian, "Hey, just pay $200 and chop the barrel, that'd make a fine Lupara (Short-barrel-shotgun)"

The look I got from that man, I'll never forget. It was like I was Oliver the street urchin asking for "more". He chided snidely, "why would I ever want one of those?"

It was not a "that's not my taste" thing. It was more of a "people shouldn't own weapons like that" thing.

Dents can be expanded out on a shotgun barrel, and specialised tools are made for the purpose, but the gunsmith charge would probably be more than the price of a used single shot. Or a new barrel for an H&R or NEF or Mossberg 500 for that matter. (Expanding a dented barrel on a pricy side by side or over under double barrel does make sense.)

But it is cheaper than getting a Form 1 approved tax stamp for an short barrel shotgun but it is a good excuse for an SBS build or as they are known in parts of the South a snake gun. Some Southern state laws that restricted handguns specificaly excluded the old trappers or handi-guns: .410 singleshot pisols with barrels 12" or longer. Some folks recognized a need for a gun like that.

Some folks don't see a need for anything other than a good .22 rifle and a single or double barrel shotgun, maybe a "deer rifle" if deer are about; and they don't see a ban on those other guns as a threat to what they need or want. They fail to see that those who want to ban self-defense firearms or military curios and relics often want to ban all firearms, including theirs. We need to include and educate the "Elmer Fudds" not exclude them.

Maybe it's just dumb luck, but I've never met one.

However I am old and do wear an Elmer Fudd hat on occasion.

I'm very happy to let market demand sort it all out, assuming the market is free to float with demand. There is a wide variety available and that variety changes, grows, or shrinks with demand. No gun is bad, but that does not mean that I want to own one of everything. My personal likes are for the type of personal firearms in standard production prior to 1960 because that covers my formative years and I like them because of those first impressions. Obviously that makes me a "FUDD", and I like that; a lot!!!!!!!

Obviously that makes me a "FUDD", and I like that; a lot!!!!!!!

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No, that simply means you have personal preferences. The "Fudd" epithet only comes into play if you deride others, push your opinions as more worthy than those of other shooters, and work to obstruct (or refuse to work to support) the 2nd Amendment rights of others.

And I doubt any of that applies to you. (Or you wouldn't be a member of this forum, most likely.)

But once again, I'll remind everyone that "Fudd," like "Sheeple," and "Troll" are not terms we want to see thrown around on our forum -- and we'd like to believe that our members would avoid such divisiveness in "real life" as well.

You'll never insult someone so well and thoroughly that you convince them to agree with your beliefs and help support your causes. But you CAN educate and enlighten folks occasionally -- and that should be our goal.

5% of the gun owners are shooting 95% of the ammunition

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And I think Jerry Miculek takes care of another 4%

Fudd? Fudd?

*sigh*

I guess I'll throw in with the rest. I admit it. Deep in my heart...I'm a Fudd. I've said many times that, over the course of my life...excluding the vacation that I took on Uncle's dime...all my firearms needs could have been met with a single-action revolver (.41 magnum Blackhawk, please)...an M94 Winchester...a Marlin 39...and a Stevens 311 shotgun...20 gauge.

My wants, however, far outreached my needs and my income much of the time...and I indulged myself in un-needful things because...like the man in an old beer commercial said:
"You only go around once. Grab the gusto."

Where I draw the Fudd line of Departure is in insisting that because I don't need a named object, that nobody else does either...and I think that defines the true Fudds amongst us. We Fudds are Americans who believe in the right to choose, and generally mind our own business otherwise. The ones who scoff at and ridicule our choices aren't Fudds. They're socialists at their core, and they don't even realize that what they're actually saying is: "You have no need for that, Comrade, therefore...you should not have it."

So...I'm a Fudd...and damn proud of it.

Wascally wabbit!

Sssshhhhhhhh, I am hunting wabbits.

regional .....and regionally specific

the 80's young upwardly mobile had offsprungs that are now wanting things.
anything they see, actually. and their maxi-vans are rolling billboards of where they went to prep school, college, sports they play and where they vacation.
add the Oboma sticker and where their kids get educated...

one sees them parking and knows the the money spending professional has arrived. with attitude
ua see, they just have to know they want something to know that they know (and desereve) the best. and of course, how to use it

my last CCW class of the year, the week before xmass, The Young Couple; the wife announces that they just need a certificate and do we
have to sit through the entire class cause they have experience already. she tells me that she meet her husband at prep school doing archery. that counts, right

perhaps the old fudds are young again

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Its okay to like one type of gun and dislike another but its when you absolutly condemn the ownership and use of one kind and look down on those that own and use them. That is what causes alot of problems in the gun community.

I don't like Lever guns because I find them awkward to use (Probably because I just haven't used them enough) but I don't think they are a bad gun. I don't like Glocks because I find them awkward in general and prefer a nice SIG but I know that Glocks are excellent handguns and there is nothing wrong with them.

What I think a Fudd is, is one that prefers older guns and condemns and looks down upon the newer guns like AR 15s and plastic semi auto handguns AND pushes this mindset down the throats of new gun owners or just essentially annoys those that own such guns.

Fudd types often confuse longevity with experience. They've been owning guns for a long time, so they assume to know what's best. Like a lot of cross-sections of society, these guys run in the same circles, so they're not getting a lot of exposure to other types of shooters.

Some older generations are also exceptionally frugal and view non-hunting shooting as a waste of money.