Mini shotshells?

First - after reading several of your posts, learn to use the damn spell check, otherwise you come off as a teenage mall ninja wannabee.............sorry, but your posts hurt my eyes and make me wonder about your maturity level

Mini shotshells are readily available, use Google and you'll find several types

You need to use your Google search function - there is plenty of load data out there - to trust anything except the published data is foolish - there are also several companies who sells those shells. Look at RST, BPI, Polywad, Hodgdon and Alliant

As to the spell check, the words are underlined in red when misspelled easy enough to check and correct.

Agulia loads mini-12ga shells. They don't work very well in any pump I've tried 'em in, they have a tendency to swap ends when they come out of the magazine onto the shell lifter, so single or double barrels are your best bet. I haven't seen any loading data for them.

and if you Google the names I add at the end of that post, most of your wishes can come true as those places have the data and products

Boltgunnerguy, hang in there, we'll have answers for you.

First, as stated, using handloads for defense leaves one a bit more vulnerable post incident. It gives some lawyer a leverage he/she can convince a jury( who have been picked so as to eliminate any pro gun folks) you've a bloodthirsty sociopath who was just out to kill someone and the perp was trying to turn his life around.

This is why even though I've worked up some effective HD loads using just 6 00 pellets I keep my 870s fed with factory loads of 8 pellet R/R stuff. The little loads have plenty of moxie inside the house and pattern well with picayune kick, but I'm leary of using them. If they ever come from a major maker, I'll use them then.

Second, inside the house even breath mints at 1200 FPS will work. But, we cannot predict the time, distance or conditions of our next firefight. We're better off setting up for the worst case scenario and preparing to be able to effectively neutralize a threat at greater distances.

HTH....

You can buy the Aguila and old Gamebore ones here:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=162922
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=766772&cm_vc=U013

Reloading data I think is going to be difficult -- may need to experiment which can be dangerous with shotgun loads.

short shells

You can find printed data for short "English" shells of 2 1/2", 2 1/4", 2" from Ballistic Products Inc. The manual is "Advantages" http://www.ballisticproducts.com/products.asp?dept=16 (BPI...referred to by Oneounceload). I use the data and make the short shells from worn out 2 3/4" hulls.


Pete

A couple of companies already mentioned make the "mini" shells...
but be advised that they do not work properly in ALL guns

The Mossberg/Maverick pump guns withe the 'skeleton' shell lifter...BZZZT Wrong! don't work. Tried them in both my Mossy 500 and Maverick 88.

In a Rem 870/ or Win 1200/1300 or Ithaca 37..try them and see.

Pete D

How long does it take you to roll crimp those shorter shells?

Thanks

roll crimping talks just a few seconds thanks to the use of a roll crimping die, hull vice, and a drill press.

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/-Roll-Crimping-Tools-/products/128/

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Hull-Vise-complete-w_12-20ga-blocks/productinfo/VISE/

This is a great link...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2"+shotgun+shells

RC

Oneounceload: Roll crimping a shell is a matter of a second or two. I do not use a drill press/roll crimper, though I have both and have used them; I use this:

or this:

Antique crimp tools which, believe it or not, are faster than the drill press and make a better crimp.
Pete

THANKS for the info to you Pete and 451

So nice to work with gentlemen.

Thanks for your forbearance re our new bee. I have profited from these posts. I am wanting to load .444 fire-formed brass @ 2 3/4" lengths for pers. def. loads in Taurus Judge magnum cylinder. You have given me a place to start. Thanks. L1S1