.30-06 options. Recomendations?

shooter5907 wrote:

glock36, I'm a hunter and long range shooter and there's three things a rifle must have. First, it must be an accurate rifle, it must have optics where the hunter can see what he wants to shoot, and third it must have a excellent trigger. To be excellent a trigger must have light pull and free of creep. If you can feel a trigger move before the shot it is said to have creep.

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Agreed on every point. ^^^^^^^

The accutrigger has a small lever set inside the curve of the trigger that must be depressed before the trigger is pulled. Even though some shooter like this feature, it is a distraction to me.

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The "lever" is a safety mechanism (not unlike a Glock) that catches the sear if the lever is not first FULLY depressed. The effort to depress the lever is not excessive IMO, but if you are not used to it and are dogmatic about not learning a new way...I can see where it would not suit some folks. Most folks have no problem with it however.

http://www.savage-rifles.com/category/1412-savage_arms_accutrigger.aspx

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=619959

It is impossible to hold a rifle completely still while the sight is alligned with the target and the trigger is pulled so the experience shooter learns to get the put pressure on the trigger and finish the squeeze when the sights are in perfect allignment.

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Again, I agree....but the above technique applies more to an un-rested shot and is more important when trying to shoot sub MOA groups than when trying to shoot Minute of Deer. The AccuTrigger has nothing to do with how steady you hold your rifle, it just provides a light, crisp, safe trigger when you decide to use it.

My rifles have either pre-64 Model 70 trigger or Timney trigger and I feel they are superior to the accutrigger because I can't stand anything that impedes my feel of the trigger.

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Personal preference...but in no way should be a condemnation of the AccuTrigger. The A/T pretty much paved the way for other manufacturers to bring out there own enhanced triggers...which had been so limited by Corporate Lawyers that they ALL broke more like a Staple Gun than anything that should be used on a hunting/target rifle.

About 2 weeks ago I shot a big whitetail buck running across in front of me at 160 yards and hit him on the point of the shoulder. Without complete trigger control this shot could not have been made.

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Nice shooting. Being a Deer Hunter of some 45 years now...I've had the opportunity to take a few running shots (that I felt confident in making). So you and I both know that proper "lead" is the most important factor here since you will NOT be "pressing" the trigger lightly until it breaks. Under hunting situations as mentioned above...it would take an exceptional individual to pull off anything other than a quick press/tap of the trigger.

The AccuTrigger is easily suited for the above.

What most folks find "noticeable" is the need to depress the center blade of the trigger. In terms of Cadence it is like a Two Stage Trigger, but the AccuTrigger is NOT a two stage trigger. The blade is a safety mechanism only. After shooting for awhile...you will not even notice it.

If you are a pistol shooter and have a Glock/other with a similar trigger device your will never notice it right from the beginning. If you have an AR with a two stage trigger, same thing...you are good to go.

Folks will articulate why they don't care for the trigger...but it almost always comes down to them being a die hard target shooter who simply likes traditional triggers, which is fine.

But as far as the trigger itself is concerned, it is safe, reliable, adjustable (down to 2.5 lbs standard, 1.5 lbs for the target model).

Flintknapper, that's a very good analysis of what I said. I just don't like the feel of that safety lever under my finger. I shoot almost entirely with a shooting stick and it takes a really good trigger release to be an effective long range hunter. BW

I didn't like the AccuTrigger at first. Three Savages and several thousand rounds later, I can tolerate the trigger. For $85.00 you can ditch the AccuTrigger and go with a Rifle Basix.

Get a Stevens. It's a Savage without the Accutrigger. I love my 2. Also have a Howa. It is very good.

Thank you for the in-depth explanation regarding the accutrigger
I do believe that's the way I will be going.

For that money, i'd get a Savage...

For the money you have to spend... I pick savage,,,they came along ways back.. A buddie of mine has one in 308.. its a tack driver..and not alot of money

Just about any "name" brand will do . . . my suggestion is to choose the one that will FIT you best. Pick up the rifle - preferably, one with a 'scope if that's how you'll be sighting it - and holding the rifle at the ready position, focus your eyes on some target. Close your eyes, raise the rifle to your shoulder and "aim" it at the target with your eyes still closed. Then open your eyes - if the rifle fits you, the target will be somewhere in the field of view of the 'scope, hopefully near the crosshairs requiring no adjustment of your head on the stock, only a small adjustment to your aim.

Do this several times - you'll get the hang of it quick.

See how easy it is to work the safety and bolt without removing the rifle from your shoulder.

Make your choice accordingly.

NULA best in the world.

Watusi76 said:

I am looking to get a hunting rifle in .30-06 but can’t make up my mind on which one. I am looking mainly based on price (in the $400’s is ok but lower is better). I already have a scope so I don’t need a package deal and am looking for a bolt action. No preference as to wood or synthetic. Main criteria is price and accuracy out of the box. I’ve ruled out the S&W iBolt but am looking heavily at the Savage 11/111 and Howa 1500 Lightening. I’ve also heard that Vanguard is a good option. Any personal experience/recommendations? I'm able to get the Howa with synthetic camo stock for $339 right now but want to make sure I can't get more for my money with another option. Especially since I've never shot a Howa before and am willing to go a bit more if it buys more.

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Any one of the three, the Savage, Howa, or Vanguard, would be a good choice. All three are capable of at least 1.5" at 100 yards. The thing to do is decide which one feels best in your hands.

I have been using a savage for 30 years, recently purhased a Tikka T3, wow out of the box this rifle like my old savage is amazingly accurate.

I second the Stevens recommend. Made buy Savage without accutrigger.
Lower price .

Marlin XL7 try to find a poor review on one. Great Trigger, Great Accuracy, Great Butt Pad, Great Price. Maybe the best value in a rifle today....Russ

I'd double the amount I was willing to spend and get a new Winchester Model 70.

If that's not an option then Stevens, Savage, and Howa are all about the same as far as I'm concerned. Find one you like and buy it.

Biker

My recomendation would be an sps or adl remington. both can be bought cheaper then an accutrigger savage. I have an sps 06 that is actually one of the most accurate sporter weight guns in the safe. With plain old cheap ww 150 power points it will shoot just under 3/4s of an inch for 5 shots at a 100 yards. Another granted arguable point is that most people have an image of a savage rifle as a cheap rifle and when it comes to resale about any remington ruger or winchester will hold its value better. Funny thing is you look at savages new and there prices are a bit cheaper then remingtons. They had package deal adls last winter at walmart. they were cammo stocked blind magazine guns with cheap 3x9s on them for 430 bucks. Hard to beat a 700 at that price. 10 years down the line just the 700 action is worth more then the savage. At least around here. Dont get me wrong i dont think savages are an inferior gun. Ive even bought a couple used because i could pass on the price and gave them to my grandsons.

I've heard good things about the Savages, but I really dislike the Accutrigger. Maybe it's an acquired taste. Fromm#7 I believe it was.

That is funny. Most website posters seem to think the Accutrigger was a great development and some refrain from buying a gun without it.