Why no "value" optic?

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gpjoe

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I know this has been discussed to death, but why is there no "value" optic? What I mean is:

In nearly every hobby I participate in, there is that one particular item that the fans rave about - the best bang for the buck.

For example, in headphones it's a Grado SR-60, a $70 headphone that has won awards and has sound quality well above it's relatively low price (bear in mind that some guys willingly spend $1000 or more on headphones). With watches, same thing - there are automatic Seiko and Orient dive watches that sell for $150 that are hugely popular among watch collectors that don't blink at spending $4500 on an Omega, or more on a Rolex. And it goes on with knives, flashlights, etc...

Yet nearly every thread I read about somebody needing a budget scope, the answer is inevitably: "Save more money and spend more money on a more expensive optic."

So, in a world that willingly embraces $10,000 watches when there are clearly high quality alternatives for $150 that perform flawlessly - why no "value" optic? Where is that one brand of optic that doesn't cost $1500 but performs well above it's selling price? I suppose in this example, since I can get an automatic Seiko that gives 95% of the performance (I know, it's subjective) of an Omega for 1/30 the price, where is the $75 optic that does the same?

I suppose the answer is simply "nobody is making it because in the world of rifle optics it just can't be done at a bargain price", and I obviously just don't get it.
 
I've learned from the preaching of my father who said "you get what you pay for".

In rifle optics I've learned by a lot of experimenting. I started by buying quiet a few red dots. But remember to always keep your receipts and the product original box and packaging. I had to return several of these little sights that went bad.

I have settled on the Bushnell scopes for Benchrest shooting and Trijicon RMR's for a couple Glocks that I compete with.

TK
 
Good question. I really don't know, but I suspect that optics are rather labor and material intensive. I'm under the impression that good glass takes a lot of polishing. I know that the best lens coating processes are expensive and time consuming. I've seen a ton of cheap optics and quite a few good ones. There is a significant difference.

On something like watches, a $20 one will keep time just as well as the best Swiss custom jobbie. I'm thinking that the expensive watches cost more for the fancy cases, etc. than the works. Could be wrong. Dunno.
 
I think we're finally starting to see a point where even an "entry level" scope is capable of fulfilling 99% of folks needs. As recently as the 1970', an "entry level" scope was fixed power, low magnification, incapable of accurately tracking when repeated adjustments are made. The quality of the glass on anything but a high end scope left a lot to be desired as well. These days the glass on even a $25 Tasco, is as good if not better then a $1k scope from the 1970's, and the tracking is probably about as good. However a $1k S&B, USO, etc. has much better tracking and magnification.

In the next 10-20 years, even a cheap Walmart scope will probably have solid tracking, and good clear glass. I think that currently most scopes in the $100-$300 range will work for 99% of users.

-Jenrick
 
The problem is probably related to the fact that telescopic sights have been around a long time with little recent advancement in technology or manufacturing to make some innovative company stand out with a value product for the masses. Telescopic sights aren't a "masses" consumer product. They're products for a limited group of customers spending discretionary monies for a recreational item. There's not much reason for an inexpensive non-cheap telescopic sight.
 
The global market IMO is some to blame,parts from around the world shipped to another country for assembly so basically anything under $800 is a grab bag, I'm not a huge fan of brand names some of the once best has let there quality control slip.

One of the better scopes I owned In recent years is at the low cost end the Mueller APV 4-14x44 made in China glass from Japan. super clear edge to edge, I've use it on a 22 RF and a 223. Cost $129. This scope is more clear then my previous 2 Nikon Monarch's. Some times the high price helps sometimes not, like most modern products scopes are like a box of chocolate's never know what's in there until you look.:D
 
Take a look at the new Redfield scopes. Now owned and manufactured by Leupold.
 
gpjoe;

Jenrick nailed it. The scope that cost $125.00 in the sixties would be what, 2.5 times as much in today's dollars? Or slightly over $300.00 now. The scope you can buy today for $300.00 is a far superior optical instrument. And, so is today's $125.00 scope as well. Just not quite as far. The bargains are there, but the field is crowded with them. So what we're seeing is a win-win situation for today's buyer. It's merely picking which bargain you like best.

900F
 
There are plenty of "value" optics out there...SWFA SS, Bushnell 3200 10x, Weaver Tactical 3-10 & 5-15, Vortex Viper/Viper HS, etc.

Just depends on your needs and your wants.

Example: Simmons Whitetail Classic 6.5-20x50 that Midway frequently has on sale for ~$150, vs. the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 that sales for ~$450. Both scopes have the same zoom and the same objective size, and to many folks there's nothing that justifies the Vortex being 3x the price. In that case, the Simmons provides good value to them. That said, you get what you pay for and IMO the Viper is every bit 3x the scope of the Simmons in terms of clarity, repeatability, ruggedness and brightness.

"Value" is always in the eye of the rifle holder...
 
scopes are more like cars than watches. a kia and a bmw will both get you to the store, but one has more bells and whistles, is nicer and better put together. But if all you need to do is get to the store.........

I've been pretty impressed by the simmons lines for the money. The tasco world class has done well by me too.
 
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