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cz 75, and you will never look back. azrn
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The happiest people I have seen have the 9mm CZ.

So I have to agree with Azrn.

I myself went with the CZ in 45ACP however.

These guns are really hard to find and sold out everywhere though.

The closest next best thing is either the Sig Sauer or the Rugers.

It all depends on what you want, what features, what safeties, what kind of triggers, how clean, how complex, etc. You just need to try them all, and decide.

Of all the 9mm's I have ever had, my S&W 39 was the best. The Browning high-power is not bad either, although the Smith feels better to me. It's all going to be up to you.
 
JR47 -- The largest reason Glock is currently leading in LEO holsters is the price structure. They are adequate in reliability and accuracy, and non-shooters can be taught to qualify with them under LEO training standards. Did I also mention that purchasing agents love them because they are CHEAP.
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I love JR's brutal honesty! I'll bet he is a straight shooter too!!
 
FNH FNX-9... this pistol has performed perfectly for me through 1000+ rounds. Great shooting gun, affordable, well made, easy take down, very Sig-esque... can be carried cocked and locked safety on, or decocked safety off. Great SA trigger!

Having said that, it's similarities with the Glock are only that it's polymer, and high capacity.

If you are looking at striker fired, you might consider the FNS...never shot one, but i'm sure the quality and craftsmanship are equal with the X.

I would also take a good hard look at the Steyr M9A1 or S9A1, have heard lots of great things about those.
 
JR47 said:
The largest reason Glock is currently leading in LEO holsters is the price structure. They are adequate in reliability and accuracy, and non-shooters can be taught to qualify with them under LEO training standards. Did I also mention that purchasing agents love them because they are CHEAP.

The Glock grip-angle is counter-intuitive to anyone who has even a passing familiarity with shooting. Yes, you can be taught to shoot them well enough to pass qualifications. You can also be taught to pass qualification s with a 12 ga. shotgun, so what?

If you want a pistol that sets lower in the hand, try that CZ that you so despise. I've heard CZs called a lot of things, but NEVER poor quality, especially when compared to a Glock.

As for the XD's grip safety, it's all in what you want. Calling it useless is much akin to lauding the grip angle of the Glock. Neither one actually does anything meaningful, they just are.

I've tried to like the Glock over the years. I CAN shoot them fairly well, but I have to actually work at doing so. The last thing that anyone needs is to have to concentrate on the gun, beyond the sights, in an emergency. I find that the Ruger SR9, and SR9c, and the CZ 75 all come naturally to a useful sight picture, even under stress.

The OP wants something else, not another sip of Kool-Aid. Let him go.
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Its not to difficult to identify the least experienced shooters on these internet gun forums, often their hyperbolic proclamations of this, and of that, as it pertains to firearms, or a particular firearm, as is done in the above quote, give them away almost as if by some Freudian mechanism.
 
The grip angle in a GLOCK is not wrong by itself. You can get used to it as to any other grip angle, but of course this is a matter of personal preference. A couple of good alternatives to GLOCK pistols are FN's and HK's. Both well made, rugged and reliable.
 
I hate these kind of statements, no they aren't the best.
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Couldn't agree more.

Those type of statements usually display either ignorance or prejudice.
And I really like Glocks, but they are after all, just another good gun, not the best one.
 
jmr40 said:
The Glock is still the best of the bunch. The grip angle that some find unnatural is actually it's greatest advantage. While different, it is actually an aide in shooting once it is mastered. It is actually a more natural angle and only feels unnatural if you are accustomed to shooting other designs. It sets the gun lower in your hand, reduces recoil and muzzle flip helping get back on target faster for repeat shots.

If I didn't want a Glock the M&P would be my 2nd choice if you want to stay with a striker fired DAO gun. If a more traditionsl DA/SA is your goal I really like the FN pistols.

I've tried XD's and CZ's and won't be going down either of those roads again. The CZ's were the least reliable, poorest quaity of any gun I've ever owned. If XD decides to lose the useless grip safety I'll reconsider.
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Any pistol worth it's salt mustn't be mastered, especially it's grip. That's the first and last thing we use when holding a pistol, and if it isn't right, then count me out. I've held Glocks, shot Glocks, and hate Glocks. I use hate sparingly, and that's my feelings on that gun. I AM a CZ guy, and when my gun fits from first hold, shoots more accurately than a Glock, and isn't plastic...count me in.
 
ForumSurfer said:
I disagree, and I own a few. I've owned several of the others mentioned and I feel they are all on par quality wise (some cz guy will flame me for that :) ).

It all boils down to preference, perceived attributes and what you shoot better (which may not be what you think feels better).
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Consider yourself flamed. CZ 75, end of story. Glocks are cheap, and feel thusly so.
 
Feanor said:
Its not to difficult to identify the least experienced shooters on these internet gun forums, often their hyperbolic proclamations of this, and of that, as it pertains to firearms, or a particular firearm, as is done in the above quote, give them away almost as if by some Freudian mechanism.
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It isn't difficult to figure out who has bought into the "crock perfection" marketing craze either. The Glock is not a perfect gun and since it isn't the 80s' anymore there are better options out there. Saying Glock is the best because police use it is like saying the M9 is the best because the US military chose it.

Like it or not price is the major factor when it comes to which gun is in police holsters.

Also, welcome to the forums.
 
Big20 said:
EVERYBODY that has handled my S&W M&P loves it.
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Although i think the SW M&P's are great,reliable,dependable shooters.....I hate how the hold in my hand.Dont know why but its the only poly-handgun so far that i personally would pass.
 
Ok

I have owned a sig P6, P226 glock 17 glock 19 cz p 07, Hk usp, XD and a sigma.
So i have been around the block
I enjoy the SA trigger on a sig, I like how when you cock the hammer the trigger moves reward and you have short trigger travel. I also like full size guns.

By the way just because an organization uses a weapon is no reason to buy it, glock and police.

I think i would enjoy a Metal CZ but they are expensive the P 07 i was not super fond of which is why i sold it but i loved the grip. Thought about getting another one but changed my mind. HK too expensive.

I would consider the PPQ but have never even held one. Heard very good things about the M&P. But i lean towards the FNP because its hammer fired. FNX is probably out of the price range. XD Had one but considering it again, Grip felt kind of blocky like the glock. The sig 2022 is also in the running.

Just thinking out loud
 
Kiln said:
It isn't difficult to figure out who has bought into the "crock perfection" marketing craze either. The Glock is not a perfect gun and since it isn't the 80s' anymore there are better options out there. Saying Glock is the best because police use it is like saying the M9 is the best because the US military chose it.

Like it or not price is the major factor when it comes to which gun is in police holsters.

Also, welcome to the forums.
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Its impossible to take folks such as yourself seriously, you're making silly statements backed up by nothing, you are also offering utterly unsubstantiated editorials on my preferences without so much as a clue as to what they may actually be!

I'm a professional, I carry a firearm for a living, and I have for two decades, my conclusions are backed up by intimate interactions with other shooting professionals, we all have one thing in common, we don't frequent these internet forums and make like you, and the other fellow are doing!

The loudest mouths are almost always the least experienced, you only serve to reinforce these conclusions when you offer up such ridiculous, hyperbolic rhetoric, especially considering that you haven't a jot of supportive data backing up your fantastical dismissiveness.
 
If the FN FNX had been out at the same time I was shopping, I Might not have gotten the M&P. It still might be my next purchase.
 
There are lots of great alternatives.

My weapon of choice is a Walther PPQ.

Smith & Wesson M&P, Ruger SR9, Springfield Armory XDM/XD, Walther P99, CZ 75, FN FNP/FNX, FN FNS, H&K P30, H&K USP, Sig Sauer... stuff, etc. Lots of high quality options.
 
Steyr M series. Not as popular as some of the others but a gun that in my experience (I own a couple, am eyeing another but have even more glocks) compares favorably to the glock. Many people that don't like the glock grip seem to like the steyr's. I like the trigger on the steyr more and I really like its extremely low bore axis.

Someone looking for a glock alternative (or any striker fired polymer 9mm for that matter) owes it to them self to check out the steyrs.
 
Feanor said:
Its impossible to take folks such as yourself seriously, you're making silly statements backed up by nothing, you are also offering utterly unsubstantiated editorials on my preferences without so much as a clue as to what they may actually be!

I'm a professional, I carry a firearm for a living, and I have for two decades, my conclusions are backed up by intimate interactions with other shooting professionals, we all have one thing in common, we don't frequent these internet forums and make like you, and the other fellow are doing!

The loudest mouths are almost always the least experienced, you only serve to reinforce these conclusions when you offer up such ridiculous, hyperbolic rhetoric, especially considering that you haven't a jot of supportive data backing up your fantastical dismissiveness.
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It is also impossible to take someone so full of himself seriously. Reflect on the condescending way you present yourself and see if you would honestly respect your own thoughts if viewed from someone else's perspective. You come across like a noble talking down to peasants. It is as if it is your personal responsibility to find thoughts that aren't similar to your own and impart upon them your divine knowledge.

The reason I know you have a strong preference for Glock is because I read the forum all the time and damn near every post you've made has been to praise the Glock like you're the company's personal propaganda machine.

Just because somebody has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about, is a novice when it comes to firearms, or is an inferior person.
 
miles1 said:
Cheap??

Would love to hear what the elitist thinks are reasonably priced guns then?
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CZs, pretty sure I made that abundantly clear. They and the Glock, new, are in and around the same price point, and yet I feel I'm getting more than my money's worth when I buy Czech, not Austrian. I guess that comfy steel frame makes me feel "elite".

Name calling already, and not 50 posts in yet. Not very high road dude.
 
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kahr. I CC a CW45, PM9, and a Ruger SR9. All are great handguns, to me. To each his own!
 
Glocks ARE CHEAP. They stay together well and when/if they need repair the Peres are easy to install and available. So, cheap is indeed a fact. They also shoot better than most because the the lower bore axis and grip angle. They weigh less than all metal guns so they are easier to carry. Master one Glock and you have master all Glocks.
Purchase and street price is inline with other guns in their class, partly because there are so many of them sold. If you want something to show to your friens or get noticed at the range do not get a Glock.
M&P or Ruger SR9 are also good and have low cost of ownership. I would list xd in the list but it seems that they are not used as hard as the Glocks By their users. The one person that I know that carries an xd daily says he les it, but if he had to start all over he would pay the extra and get Glocks.
Sig, Walther, FN and some of the others mentioned, I have not been around them enough to have an opinion. CZ 75b seems to have a good responses, but it is too heavy and too big In the grip area for me. I also think that parts may be harder to find.

Also you need to consider the things that go with the gun, like can go to the local gun shop and get mags and holsters. What is the availability of people that can service your gun. How easy is it to clean?
 
It’s the same old same old in regards to Glock.

People complain about the grip angle. When it’s pointed out that it’s the dominate service pistol in law enforcement then it’s only because of Glock’s price structure.

Frist of all if your non adaptive then you’re no adaptive. What other items do you handle during the course of the day that you can’t adapt to?

As for price structure do you really think that Smith&Wesson is not competitive with Glock in regards to law enforcement bids/contracts?

I have and use both Smith&Wesson and Glock there are differences but not to the point that I can’t use both effectively.
 
Ruger SR9C will make you sell a Glock.
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He speaks the truth.

I like the SR9c so much I got two of them.
One for the wife and one for me.

Actually, the first one was mine but she took it for herself after shooting it, so that gave me an excuse to buy another one.

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