"chin stock" for AR pistol practical?

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Here is something interesting, is it a practical alternitive to legally own a SBR or is it a silly way to get around an even sillier law? Still it is worth a look.

https://halix.co/

The manufacturer claims that it is even steadier than a conventional shoulder stock because it is not affected by chest movement caused by heavy breathing nor does it need to be ajusted for a user wearing thick body armor.
 
OMG! You have GOT to read the reviews they link to! They are hilarious!

"...if clown shoes will fit on a Humvee's gas pedal!..." LOL! :D

Beautiful.

Actually some of the posts are pretty thoughtful and do a good job of illustrating all the different ways this is a poorly thought-out idea.

The execution looks very good. Gotta give them credit for putting out a good product.

But the concept is bad. Kind of like a 3,500 psi mix, Grade 80 No.8 epoxy-coated rebar-reinforced concrete hat. Fantastic execution. Bad idea to begin with.
 
I think it's a novel gimmick for AR pistol owners.

Face adapter - $250, wait until December.
Turn your pistol into an SBR - $200 stamp, wait 6 months, buy the buttstock of your choice.

Assuming you would put a high quality buttstock on your rifle, you are saving a pretty small amount of money and a few months of waiting, and you get to shoot a rifle off your face like a BAMF. :rolleyes:

I've watched the cool video. I would be very interested to see an SBR beat the snot out of this thing on a shot timer.
 
The manufacturer claims that it is even steadier than a conventional shoulder stock because it is not affected by chest movement caused by heavy breathing nor does it need to be ajusted for a user wearing thick body armor.
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Im sure your blurred vision and rattling teeth won't hurt your steadiness or accuracy.. AT all!
 
Here's a picture from the designer's diary:
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Also, aren't you worried about getting your teeth knocked out or chipped?
 
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The chin "floats" and isn't a stable base to shoot from by comparison to the the shoulder.

I've seen instructors demonstrate that the recoil from a 5.56 AR is so manageable that you can soot with the stock on your chin or nose or cheek. They were simply demonstrating the recoil was mild. OTOH if the recoil is mild enough for those demonstrations then can we flip that around to imagining what could be done because the recoil was mild? That's pretty out of the box thinking being demonstrated.

So what are the merits and what are the problems it brings?
 
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Can you imagine the stress that will put on your jaw's hinge aka the tempero-mandibular joint?
Anybody already have tinnitus? Think how bad this will make it!
 
I would be interested in measuring how much sound energy is transmitted through the bones.
 
So what are the merits and what are the problems it brings?
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I think you nailed it here:

The chin "floats" and isn't a stable base to shoot from by comparison to the the shoulder.
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They're taking the primary problem with the idea and calling it the major benefit.

Why do we favor a rifle over a handgun for precision shots? Because we can stabilize the butt of the gun against something that DOESN'T bounce around like the hands or the head. So this is tying together two things that DO bounce around relatively a lot, but not in a coordinated way.

"Hmmm...walking is good, but the two feet seem to go whichever way they want. We've improved the speed and accuracy of the traditional walking process by tying your feet together!"
 
The recoil from a .223 is light. With a muzzel break it is neglible. The noise and blast however is horrific without proper ear protection. Also the .223 really does not preform well out of short barrels. This thing might be feesable in a 9MM though. I think I will pass being a 6.8 fan.
 
My 11.5" AR pistol has a carbine buffer tube on it that is fixed so a stock can't be slid on it. I shoot it with the tube pressed against my shoulder like a stock, though it isn't a stock. Which of course is the point of having a full length carbine buffer tube. I thought everybody did that. I've run mine in three gun matches and can bang steel with it at a couple hundred yards.

It is as close to an SBR as I can get in my state.
 
"chin stock" for AR pistol practical?
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The chin "floats" and isn't a stable base to shoot from by comparison to the the shoulder.
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Um... not to be a jerk, but did you actually watch the video or read the description on the site. Its not a "chin stock". Its designed to rest against the cheek bone to provide a "cheek weld" just like the comb of a standard stock. It seems mainly intended to steady the relation between the head and gun, providing a steadier sight picture. When fired, the "stock" would slide along the cheek, nothing recoils against the chin, cheek, face or head.

Not to say I think its a great idea, but I think you are criticizing it for the wrong reasons.
 
Read more descriptions or look at more pics. The device has "ambidangerous" rests that are intended to be placed on your chin, just below your lower lip. In one of his descriptions of the felt recoil the maker suggests placing your index and middle finger in the crease below your bottom lip, then smacking those two fingers with your other hand with "the force of a clapping motion". The website goes to some effort to explain the effort he put into the padding on the chin pieces.
 
My guess is chewing gum would reduce accuracy.

It's a strange idea for sure, but for the ranges a 10 inch or 11 inch AR is intended for? Maybe not a horrible idea?
 
Seems to me that device could inhibit head rotation just at those times when you'd want your head on a swivel.
 
My 11.5" AR pistol has a carbine buffer tube on it that is fixed so a stock can't be slid on it. I shoot it with the tube pressed against my shoulder like a stock, though it isn't a stock. Which of course is the point of having a full length carbine buffer tube. I thought everybody did that. I've run mine in three gun matches and can bang steel with it at a couple hundred yards.

It is as close to an SBR as I can get in my state.
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Got a picture of your AR to share? :)
 
I don't even want to "start" thinking about how many reasons this is a bad idea. It would take all night to list them. I agree with the Dentist thing, a good way to lose several of your senses at one time. On top of the addition of spinal problems down the road, "a short drive".
 
I dunno about the chin not being able to take the mild recoil of the 5.56. I went to a circus once where a very average looking man was balancing all sorts of stuff on his chin including a 6' wooden stepladder. I think it would be tolerable.
 
I dunno about the chin not being able to take the mild recoil of the 5.56. I went to a circus once where a very average looking man was balancing all sorts of stuff on his chin including a 6' wooden stepladder. I think it would be tolerable.
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I'm betting that Joe Average is not a circus man. :D
Yeah, we all know the 5.56 recoil is really not much..........for the shoulder/arm/pectoralis. But, having your face/chin take repetitive punches from it, however mild, is not pleasant, I suspect.
 
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