Question for the country boys

I actually would like to see more open just to keep the public acclimated

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I agree with you. It does the cause good for people to get used to seeing guns.

Arkansas is not an open carry state, although we have a very good Shall-Issue law for concealed carry.

My State Senator is my doctor's wife and I have worked hard to get her elected. She'll support open carry.

And if and when it passes, I'll start open carrying my Colt New Service, the largest revolver Colt ever made, around town.

Just answered a similar question on another thread. For me in town; 1911 .45 ACP JHP's. In the field trail walks, hunting, fishing; 4 "GP-100 .357 158gr hard cast flat points. Both always backed-up with an SP101 with .38+p JHP's onboard.

Live in Kentucky, during the humid months I carry either a Ruger sr9c in a IWB or a Ruger lc9 in a pocket holster. During jacket weather and hunting I carry my Glock 22 which is also my bedside pistol of choice.

I don't have an issue with open carry, my state allows it. What I can't stand is untrained citizens openly carrying a firearm, it's a danger to people around them. But I won't get on my soap box tonight.

Renegade Ziggy said:

Live in Kentucky, during the humid months I carry either a Ruger sr9c in a IWB or a Ruger lc9 in a pocket holster. During jacket weather and hunting I carry my Glock 22 which is also my bedside pistol of choice.

I don't have an issue with open carry, my state allows it. What I can't stand is untrained citizens openly carrying a firearm, it's a danger to people around them. But I won't get on my soap box tonight.

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I don't disagree with that comment at all, just wondering what sends the red flag to you as you look at civilians and make the conclusion that they're "untrained"?

LD

My Taurus M605 is my "go to town" (work) gun - easily hidden, slips in pocket, there if you need it. Generally I switch to either the Buckmark or BH .44 Special for around the farm and horseback riding. Sometimes OC sometimes CC especially when doing dirty / dusty work. Hard cast FP or LSWC bullets get the job done on vermin etc and keep the cost down when a shootin session breaks out.

However I have recently found that the Ruger SR40c is quite an all around gun. With its durable adjustable sights and good accuracy it is easily "minute of coyote" out to 50 yards. Maybe more, just haven't tested it yet. It's size helps keep it from being in the way when working and riding. It has been utterly reliable with hard cast LSWC bullets which are loaded very close ballisticly to my fave .44 Spl loads.

How many of you may change and carry a different handgun according to what you are doing?

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I do, but seemingly the opposite of what most are doing. I up-arm when going to the city, where the chances of actually needing a firearm for defense are increased. We just don't really have violent crime out here.

I don't disagree with that comment at all, just wondering what sends the red flag to you as you look at civilians and make the conclusion that they're "untrained"?

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I don't want to get to far away from the OP here but I can usually pick people out of a crowd that are military, law enforcement or trained civilians, usually by how they carry themselves alone. I'm sure a lot of the other members of THR that are current/ex military or law enforcement can do the same, you kinda just know what to look for. I'm sure I've misjudged people before (it happens), but I try to go by this way of thinking..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area. Plus I live in eastern Kentucky, trust me, you can tell if big hoss carrying the 44 mag that hangs down to his shins is trained or not There's many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice SD drills. It's a bit unnerving.

Sorry for going left field OP.

Renegade Ziggy said:

if your (sic) openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your (sic) not trained..I feel as though your (sic) putting me and my family at risk...

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Fortunately, you didn't help draft the Second Amendment. What kind of training? How much is sufficient? How often? Who sets the standards?

There's (sic) many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice...

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See above, especially the "how often" part. Many cops wouldn't train unless the department required it. Yet, despite all these "untrained" folks walking around with guns, there doesn't seem to be a problem.

To the OP, when I lived on a farm, I always had a pistol on me. Police response time, if they could even find the place, didn't inspire confidence. Caliber was usually .40 or .45. Only thing I had to kill on the spot was an opossum that didn't look or act too friendly. Used a Kahr K-40 for that.

Fortunately, you didn't help draft the Second Amendment. What kind of training? How much is sufficient? How often? Who sets the standards?

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Sigh... People IN MY AREA consider a ccdw class or spending 2 hours on a range all the training they need, obviously I'm not speaking for everyone here. If your going to openly carry in crowded areas you need to train to be accurate in crowds, you need to train your mind how to handle and perceive threats, you need to train to stay calm in high stress situations, you need to train on proper firearm handling and technique, you need to familiarize yourself with your weapon, you need to know how to prevent gun grabs, you need to train how to handle multiple BG's..should I continue?

How much is sufficient and how often? I believe if your on a range once a week at least and put in over 3 hours your doing good. And I'm not talking about standing there in one position shooting at the same target all day, I'm talking drills and the works.

Who sets the standards? The people who are carrying need to be the ones setting the standards.

See above, especially the "how often" part. Many cops wouldn't train unless the department required it. Yet, despite all these "untrained" folks walking around with guns, there doesn't seem to be a problem.

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I see LEO all that time that aren't familiar with their weapons, take what happened in New York for instance. I guess me and you must be watching and reading up on different news channels and stories, because I see instances all the time of untrained people carrying weapons and something stupid happening. If your going to be a LEO, you need to constantly be on the range training, my towns department does..why can't others?

I'll end this left field topic with this one question. Why are you drilling me about what I said? I would assume untrained people carrying DANGEROUS weapons would be a frightening issue. I for one would hate for a untrained person to have their weapon stripped and used against them or my family, or for that person to get jittery and shoot at a BG, and instead hit me, my family, or an innocent bystander. It happens quite often, it's our job as trained citizens to train the ones who aren't. America and the media always have their eyes on gun owners, just waiting for us to mess up.

Renegade Ziggy said:

I don't want to get to far away from the OP here but I can usually pick people out of a crowd that are military, law enforcement or trained civilians, usually by how they carry themselves alone. I'm sure a lot of the other members of THR that are current/ex military or law enforcement can do the same, you kinda just know what to look for. I'm sure I've misjudged people before (it happens), but I try to go by this way of thinking..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area. Plus I live in eastern Kentucky, trust me, you can tell if big hoss carrying the 44 mag that hangs down to his shins is trained or not There's many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice SD drills. It's a bit unnerving.

Sorry for going left field OP.

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Again, I don't necessarily disagree, but the people who worry me the most are some on this forum who routinely practice for a 100 yard pistol shot to be the hero in an active shooter scenario. Those tactards scare the hell out of me, but not so much the bubba who's been hunting all his life but with no "official" training.

LD

I know two ladies in our church who have a purse protector.

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Quite a few members of my church carry also, while in church might I add. You gotta watch out for those little old ladies with the 38 tucked away where God only knows

Those tactards scare the hell out of me, but not so much the bubba who's been hunting all his life but with no "official" training

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I gotta agree, they need to realize just how close a shooting usually takes place. And I would rather bubba have been a hunter all his life then have no experience at all.

..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area

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As I have pointed out many times, training is a solution. Before you advocate a solution, you should have a problem. And in the ideal world, there should be some relationship between problem and solution.

Now several states (Alaska, Vermont and Arizona, to name three) require no training at all to carry openly or concealed. Do these states have higher accident rates than states with training requirements?

No, they don't -- hence there is no problem, and no need for a solution.

No, they don't -- hence there is no problem, and no need for a solution.

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So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age. How about when a eastern Kentucky man took a 223 and 3 revolvers with over 500 rounds of ammunition and tried to run down President Obama's motorcade a few weeks back. That individual lives 30 minutes away from me, is a sever schitzo, and is out of jail. But I guess I'm imagining all that, there's no need for concern in this day and age.

Nice of you to lump law abiding citizens in with crackpots.

So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age.

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There isn't a problem with accidental shootings (and surely you don't think training is the solution to deliberate shootings?)

The accident rate for firearms is so low that if it weren't so political, it wouldn't be reported at all, just lumped under "other." More people die from drowning, falling off ladders and so on than from accidental gunshot wounds.

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. Why are you drilling me about what I said?

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Because your view isn't dissimilar to that of the anti-gunner and it's equally flawed. It's a very slippery slope you're treading upon. What's scary is you don't realize it.

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I guess you was under a rock during the Colorado shootings, etc, etc...

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But...if he was......trained....it would've been ok??

there's no need for concern in this day and age.

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Sure there is. Incidents like these confirm why many of us choose to carry a gun.

I believe people are misconstruing what I'm saying along with twisting my words, so let me make myself clear and we can be finished with this ignorant conversation. I believe the American people should have every right to own, and carry, open or concealed, a firearm. I'm a member of our armed forces and I would die in a heartbeat to protect our second amendment.

Let me make myself more clear so my words can't be twisted, IF that person is going to take the great responsibility of carrying a firearm upon themselves, concealed or open, if they choose to carry a firearm amongst the masses, then in my ever loving opinion, it is their job to train themselves to be as good of a shooter as they can be. If their carrying a firearm in crowded areas, whether they like it or not, and whether you people arguing with me like it or not, if they choose to use that weapon their responsible for our well being also.

You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training. Yes, I know people do it, yes I know you don't have to have training blah blah blah, so what? It's foolish, ignorant and dangerous for a person to carry a firearm and not know what their doing.

All I'm saying is I believe people should take it upon themselves to have more training if their going to carry. It's simple. How is that anti-guns? How is what I'm saying a issue to you people?

Also were not discussing accidental shootings, were discussing individuals not being properly trained and having their firearm removed from them by a BG, or shooting a innocent bystander while they were trying to save the day knowing full well that they aren't properly trained for that. I see that a lot of you are breaking up what i'm saying into certain quotes, making me out to be some sort of anti-gun person, not sure why you are. But it's ignorant. And your only making yourselves look more ignorant by trying to continue a pointless fight. I come here to discuss and be informed, not fight.

One more thing, instead of breaking up what I'm saying, and reading only what YOU WANT TO READ, try SLOWLY reading all of my text. You'll hopefully realize what I'm talking about. Good day to all of you.

Renegade Ziggy said:

IF that person is going to take the great responsibility of carrying a firearm upon themselves... it is their job to train themselves to be as good of a shooter as they can be.

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Agreed. Getting training is a great idea. But it shouldn't be a requirement.

I wonder how many of your gun toting church ladies would "qualify" under your guidelines.

So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age. I guess you was under a rock during the Colorado shootings, or the recent New York incident involving the disgruntled ex-employee, how about when a eastern Kentucky man took a 223 and 3 revolvers with over 500 rounds of ammunition and tried to run down President Obama's motorcade a few weeks back. That individual lives 30 minutes away from me, is a sever schitzo, and is out of jail. But I guess I'm imagining all that, there's no need for concern in this day and age.

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Sniff, sniff................If I wasn't sitting at my desk, I'd swear I was under a bridge...........

Sniff, sniff................If I wasn't sitting at my desk, I'd swear I was under a bridge...........

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Your sarcasm is noted, and has no place in this conversation.

Agreed. Getting training is a great idea. But it shouldn't be a requirement.

I wonder how many of your gun toting church ladies would "qualify" under your guidelines.

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I think it should be a requirement, at least for the ccdw classes to have more hands on training. It's like people think I'm going against the 2nd amendment here just because I'm saying this one thing. It's odd..

Well for a matter of fact, one of them has extensive training with firearms. The others, well who knows? I'm not very sure what guidelines I've put down, but what is the issue with people having more training?

Until we can get extensive training required to operate a 4000lb rolling death machine on public roadways requiring training to walk around with a gun is pretty low on my priorities.

Everyone in that hypothetical mall could be packing with no more instructions than a 1 HR ccw class and you and your family would still be in far far more mortal danger walking to your vehicle in the parking lot from other motorists




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I can definitely relate. But it typically is not my sidearm that changes, it is the longarm that I have with me. Either a 12 ga or an AR, depending on how I feel, and it does change several times each day.

My M&P 9mm is what stays on my hip 99% of the time.