6th-grader brings gun to school to protect against ‘Connecticut-style’ attack

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6th-grader brings gun to school to protect against ‘Connecticut-style’ attack

A sixth-grader at West Kearns Elementary School near Salt Lake City, Utah, brought a gun to school on Monday, saying he wanted to protect himself and his friends after Friday's shooting in Newtown, Conn.
He "continues to assert that he brought the weapon to protect himself and his friends from a 'Connecticut-style [shooting],'" Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley said.
Two of the 11-year-old's classmates told their teacher on Monday afternoon that the student had a gun. The teacher immediately "apprehended" the student and contacted the authorities, Horsley said. The boy is being charged with one count of possession of a firearm on school property and three counts of aggravated assault, for allegedly threatening some of his classmates.
He will be charged in the juvenile system and eventually will be transferred to another school.


What a great solution!! Kid breaks a rule/law out of fear and an attempt to protect himself but the system only sees broken rules/laws and a criminal!! Awesome!! Maybe they ought to chain him to a bunk like some others do elsewhere.:banghead::banghead:
There are bigger issues here.
 
smalls - No, I didn't miss that part. My point is there are ways of handling these things without automatically treating a person, especially a kid like a criminal. Once you take him into custody, you run thru investigating and counseling him to understand what is going on...not crucify him by default.

Typical Lib school system baloney. This is much more serious than a fist fight, but most school systems will nail a kid for defending himself from an unprovoked attack even with plenty of witnesses. Why?? Because the rule says "no fighting on school grounds." Doesn't matter what the circumstances are at that time. Ask me how I know.

He will be charged in the juvenile system and eventually will be transferred to another school.

I say the kid is being railroaded because there isn't any leeway to investigate and/or counsel in the rules. The judgment has been made and passed.
 
You know, smalls, I was once suspended for threatening to cut someone's head off, even though I made no such threat. Some girl just wanted to get me into trouble for some silly reason that I can't even recall.

Point is, he said she said nonsense can't be trusted.
 
Parents of this boy are criminally culpable, for not securing the gun. In fact, I bet the DA is sharpening his pencil to charge the parents as we speak.
 
Hey. did you even read the article?

I am from Utah, so let me fill you in. He brought the gun and stuck it to another student's head during recess.

Thanks.
 
You must've missed this part. It's ok, I'll point it out for you.

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Key word being "allegedly"...


And we all know 11-13 year old boys never embellish anything, and they surely never say things that might not be quite exactly how it happened...
 
You know, smalls, I was once suspended for threatening to cut someone's head off, even though I made no such threat. Some girl just wanted to get me into trouble for some silly reason that I can't even recall.

Then you should have fought it, and demanded proof, which you can do. Just like this boy will be able to fight his charge.

Either way, he still brought a gun to school.

I'm all for people taking responsibility for their safety, I encourage it, but an 11 year old with no training cannot possibly lead to anywhere good.
 
In my case, one of my sons was a month into sixth grade and had never had a discpline issue of any sort.
In the school yard, some kids were smoking and one asked him to smoke with them. He refused and went on his way. The kids that asked then rammed him from behind and knocked him down. My son got up and turned to face him and the kid started hitting him. My son defended himself with some karate and the teachers showed up and then called the police on them.
Mind you, witness statements were taken and corroborated my son's story, but we ended up having to go see the juvy judge because the school system kept saying, "There is no fighting allowed on school grounds. It doesn't matter the reason. Besides, it wouldn't be fair to the other child if he was the only one to get in trouble for breaking the rule."

So yeah, I trust the school system. Just like I trust others to take my responsibility to protect myself away and do it for me.
 
Hey. did you even read the article?

I am from Utah, so let me fill you in. He brought the gun and stuck it to another student's head during recess.

Thanks.

wild cat mccane http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23439767&nid...cid=featured-1

""He pulled out a gun and he put it to my head, me and my friend," Isabelle said. "He was going to kill us." "

Hey, did you see the article I posted? It made no mention of any of that.

But thanks for participating rudely instead of sharing in a civilized manner.
 
Then you should have fought it, and demanded proof, which you can do. Just like this boy will be able to fight his charge.

Either way, he still brought a gun to school.

I'm all for people taking responsibility for their safety, I encourage it, but an 11 year old with no training cannot possibly lead to anywhere good.
I did fight it, but "Zero tolerance" and all that jazz.
 
It was only rude in your eyes because it did not support your outrageously incomplete information.

But thanks.

Your story is also silly. The other boy also has the right to be seen by a "juvy judge" to make sure his side of the story is heard.

Lose the chip on your shoulder.
 
No, it was rude because you could've said, "Hey, here's an article with more complete information on the situation."

And I'd would've appreciated the info from a better source.
 
I did fight it, but "Zero tolerance" and all that jazz.

I had 2 suspensions "overturned" by just threatening lawyer involvement. I was a terrible kid in high school, and deserved every detention and suspension I served, but I didn't stand for anyone just trying to get me in trouble for no reason.
 
A better source? KSL is Utah's main news company.

Keep digging. You were looking for something to get mad at. It is self-evident this story doesn't hold up to your ax to grind.

This story is huge in Utah right now. People are talking about suing the school for not calling parents fast enough.
 
Ok you're missing the point in that last post. The story I referenced in the OP is not the same one you referenced. I didn't even know the other story existed until you said something.

The info supplied was not the same in each and with you having a better source, all you had to do was say so instead of looking to attack and detract.


BTW, No one took anything away from the other boy.

They each went to see the judge separately and neither got a chance to claim any part of their story. They each got dictated to and assigned to the Alternative school for fighting. My point was the system was Zero tolerance and no one cared about what actually happened.
 
I don't know. A 6th grader had a gun. That is sufficiently big to me.

I didn't miss any point. You wanted to get mad at a school system without knowing the boy pointed it at a girl's head.
 
"But guns are good and should be totally unrestricted! We need fully-automatic firearms back because of 'shall not be infringed!' No compromise!"

Gun-rights advocates, this is the direct result of the glamorization of firearms and a failure to properly instruct this kid in firearms safety and social conduct.
 
"But guns are good and should be totally unrestricted! We need fully-automatic firearms back because of 'shall not be infringed!' No compromise!"

Gun-rights advocates, this is the direct result of the glamorization of firearms and a failure to properly instruct this kid in firearms safety and social conduct.

This primarily a direct result of someone giving up their personal responsibility in the ownership of a firearm. Otherwise the kid would not have gotten it. That or he's related to a criminal.
 
Right. So how did the kid get it? (uncle left it behind after visiting) and would law have created a situation where the uncle internalized this problem due to horrible legal consequences? 500,000 dollar fine for example.

We have LOTS of room for tighter legal repercussions for bad gun ownership that doesn't restrict gun rights.

The NEGATIVE EXTERNALITY of poor decisions or personal responsibility of single gun owner has massive consequences to society. It is not just a single "owners responsibility" issue.
 
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