California confiscating guns - California AG suggests WH use as national model

“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program.

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Archive = registration = confiscation.

This is the danger of registration/BC.The goal of the Government is to continually expand who cannot own a gun.Most gun owners never bother to look at the fine print on legislation,UBC is one of these,looks OK on the surface but a dangerous path.

Registration leads to confiscation leads to tyrants can do whatever the H E Doublehockey Styx they want.
Just ask Adolf, Josef, Mao, Pol Pot !

Try that in Texas. See what happens.

This works because the government never makes mistakes.

I mean, no innocent person has ever spent a day in jail, right?

I don't want the truly crazy, dangerous people to have guns, but I'm afraid that it won't be long and they will be able to seize a person's guns because he "looks crazy", or "acts crazy".

As in "you like to make your own bullets? You must be crazy, we better confiscate your guns...."

Yes, and CA has the most welfare recipients of any state as well, over 1.2 million according to a recent comparison. That is why the state is so blue, because of the free handouts the people get from voting in the Dems. Gun confiscation is the price you pay for electing those sort of big government folks, is it any surprise?

Make sure to read that through. You don't have to be the one that can't own guns, just a person that lives with someone that can't. Husband/Wife/Boyfriend/Girlfriend/Roommate have a felony conviction sometime in the past that you didn’t know about? They can't have access to guns, which means you no longer have a second amendment right. Bye-bye guns.
If you were admitted against your will to a mental health facility, but nothing comes of it because it was exaggerated or someone overreacted...well too bad, you still lose your guns, and you don't get them back because they get destroyed.
Any other rights you want to just take away there California?

joeschmoe said:

Try that in Texas. See what happens.

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The exact same thing I posted on a few weeks ago that others denied would happen. I believe Joeschmoe was one of them. Wake up America. The threat is real.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=702399

wgaynor said:

The exact same thing I posted on a few weeks ago that others denied would happen. I believe Joeschmoe was one of them. Wake up America. The threat is real.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=702399

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They could care less about the constitution, that is the problem. It no longer has the teeth it used to because a new generation of folks don't understand the concept of freedom any longer. No surprise that the welfare king is now the confiscation king as well. It goes hand in hand.

Merely being in a database of registered gun owners and having a “disqualifying event,” such as a felony conviction or restraining order, isn’t sufficient evidence for a search warrant, Marsh said March 5 during raids in San Bernardino County. So the agents often must talk their way into a residence to look for weapons, he said. http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...zes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms#p1

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I found that part of the story interesting. The police had to leave one of the residences after no one answered the door. The next place is where the guy lost his guns, even though it was his wife who'd been hospitalized.

Just having gone through the posts, and thinking about the recent events in Colorado, I had several tangents of thought go through my head. Bear with me....

California has been on this slippery slope a long time. I have "pro-gun" relatives who are afraid of EBRs just on looks alone. Lots of others out there with a similar condition.

California no doubt does have extensive archives and is willing to expend very dear LE resources to go out and take those guns. The thing is, those resources are not endless, and the state is running on fiscal empty.

If indeed, thier AG suggests it be used as a model the WH, or whoever, (Denver) will have to act quickly before they too run out of money.

What I came down to in my mind was that it a question of timeliness for the antis. California has the resources and the willingness to go after guns like this. What about the other states that don't?

Several Curious Things.

"...“The prohibited person can’t have access to a firearm,” regardless of who the registered owner is, said Michelle Gregory, a spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office."

To me, this says they are claiming that if someone in a household goes to a mental hospital (example from the article was just such a situation), they can remove the firearms from the entire house, regardless of who owns them.

Secondly, they have to "talk" their way in the houses since they don't have warrants (and can't get them, as their list isn't enough evidence to warrant such). Why does ANYONE even let them in? The whole thing seems quite "un-American", to me.

wgaynor said:

The exact same thing I posted on a few weeks ago that others denied would happen. I believe Joeschmoe was one of them. Wake up America. The threat is real.

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No. That's quite a leap. If you can't understand the difference between people who are legally prohibited from owning guns in Cali now versus nationwide confiscation for everyone then I can't help you.

And don't forget that the registration list is very poorly maintained.

Several years ago a BLM ranger stopped me out in the desert target area. She called in my guns. I stood there listenning to them read off all my registered guns. Unfortunately, they had me listed for guns I did not own. I complained about that and was told that, "oh, they make a lot of mistakes in Sacramento. They probably just entered them into the database wrong."

This is very dangerous. Government is the biggest problem we have in this country right now and expanding their power will lead to abuses and government violence. We're skiing down that slipper slope!
Mauserguy

Leap was made when it was suggested that the WH use this same model in other states.

Plus, it was the exact same thing I posted in the previous post as is posted in this posting. Perhaps you should go back and reread it.

To refresh your memory, here are the links http://godfatherpolitics.com/9389/california-attempts-gun-confiscation/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...l-introduced-in-california-we-can-save-lives/

I for one think it's a dumb idea to knock on doors with the sole intention of confiscating firearms. If they were truly fearful of these people owning firearms because they may hurt someone, then their tactics should be re-evaluated.

I have a prohibited person living in my household. All my guns are locked in two safes, but the ammo isn't under lock and key. Does the ammo need to be locked up also? I am in CA.

As the D.O.J. officers are unable to get search warrants, the simple answer to this problem, for the time being, is to politely refuse entrance to the officers.

I'm not wild about anyone with emotional problems having access to weapons, but I'm less wild about the "state" attempting to impinge in OUR rights to legally own and keep firearms.

I have a prohibited person living in my household. All my guns are locked in two safes, but the ammo isn't under lock and key. Does the ammo need to be locked up also? I am in CA.

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Yes

wgaynor said:

Leap was made when it was suggested that the WH use this same model in other states.

Plus, it was the exact same thing I posted in the previous post as is posted in this posting. Perhaps you should go back and reread it.

To refresh your memory, here are the links http://godfatherpolitics.com/9389/california-attempts-gun-confiscation/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...l-introduced-in-california-we-can-save-lives/

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Then you're still making the same absurd leap I argued in that thread. Anyone who thinks there is about to be nation wide confiscation of all guns from everyone is smoking crack. Claiming that such a confiscation has already begun is silly. It's an absurd leap to go from Cali confiscation of the mentally ill to jump to confiscation for every one everywhere. That's more than just a slippery slope argument. That's a huge leap in logic to the absurd.

I can't wait for someone to find that someone on welfare used the money to buy an AR, or other weapon. they put it on the news when they find them using it for cruises and at casinos. It's a debit card of some sort. So why not a firearm, that will make front page news. Imagine the fuss that will make.

What I came down to in my mind was that it a question of timeliness for the antis. California has the resources and the willingness to go after guns like this. What about the other states that don't?

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And here I thought everyone was REQUIRED to turn in their weapons once they were convicted of a felony no matter what state you live in? Maybe, you don't have to show up for prison either. I'm sure with the lack of space, they wouldn't mind if you skip a few years before you show up, now would they? (LOL)

You guys sound like a bunch of FELONS complaining that mommy took away your toys. I have never heard something so stupid as the thinking criminals and felons should keep their firearms.

Jim