Don't worry, those guns are simply farther down the list. Once they get the "scary looking" guns those other automatics that spray just as many bullets just as quickly as the military grade assault rifles will be next
California: Legislature Goes for Semi-Auto Ban Trifecta
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Don't worry, those guns are simply farther down the list. Once they get the "scary looking" guns those other automatics that spray just as many bullets just as quickly as the military grade assault rifles will be next
razorback2003
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The majority of the voter base in California does not favor gun rights similar to the voter base in DC. It's a shame because there are great places out there to shoot, great weather, and beautiful land. The state in general has regulated and taxed itself to death. Most places with bad gun laws also have a lot of other government regulations that are hard on businesses and expensive to comply with.
California's only hope is federal court action kind of like how DC got handgun ownership restored in federal court.
California's only hope is federal court action kind of like how DC got handgun ownership restored in federal court.
Capybara
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The reality is THIS will be an assault weapon in California by 2018. Fact. Unless Governor Brown vetoes all three of these insanely overreaching bills. He may, he may not. These are rehashes of SB374 that he did veto but he is termed out and may allow them to make points for a run as a Senator or Congressman. He is a gun owner, has a ranch and goes shooting too, ironically, gives him a touch more credibility than the tyrant drones that author these bills.
This will become assault weapon under Governor Newsom's first term
This will become an assault weapon under Governor Newsom's second term
For you non-Californians, you probably think I am exaggerating or engaging in hyperbole. I'm not. California will be disarmed in under 10 years, possibly in less than 5 depending on who is seated on the Supreme Court. The majority of voters here want this. The state is lost, but those of you in free state better hope the disease here doesn't spread to your state because it is an infection and it spreads as fast as Ebola.
This will become assault weapon under Governor Newsom's first term
This will become an assault weapon under Governor Newsom's second term
For you non-Californians, you probably think I am exaggerating or engaging in hyperbole. I'm not. California will be disarmed in under 10 years, possibly in less than 5 depending on who is seated on the Supreme Court. The majority of voters here want this. The state is lost, but those of you in free state better hope the disease here doesn't spread to your state because it is an infection and it spreads as fast as Ebola.
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Librarian
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Since 2014, DROS collects the same information for long guns as for handguns. Intrafamilial transfer docs, the new resident docs, and other 'report it yourself' papers have been modified to include long guns.
giggitygiggity
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These liberal politicians live in some of fairy tale land created in their own minds. The enforces of such legislation (police) are typically the same people who support 2A. Most police won't register their privately owned guns and they're likely going to say "I'm not verifying that that person's gun is registered because the law is dumb and I have a closet of unregistered ARs."
The problem is that most politicians are career politicians. Gone are the days when career military men like Washington, Grant, and Eisenhower became political leaders (not to be confused with politicians) after being on the ground. There is an alarming disconnect between the politicians and reality.
The problem is that most politicians are career politicians. Gone are the days when career military men like Washington, Grant, and Eisenhower became political leaders (not to be confused with politicians) after being on the ground. There is an alarming disconnect between the politicians and reality.
danez71
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The reality is THIS will be an assault weapon in California by 2018. Fact.
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I hate to burst your bubble when youre so emphatic about it....
You're wrong.
The bills apply to centerfire.
Yes, you are.
Capybara
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Gut and amend my friend, gut and amend.
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Absolutely my favorite procedural thing to hate about the CA Legislature.
For non-Californians: Bills get submitted in a timely fashion, go through various parts of the committee hearings, and sometimes stall.
Then, some legislative yahoo gets a 'neat idea' and takes over that bill, 'gutting' it of all the original content, and 'amending' it to the new 'neat idea'.
The real problem with this is that the bill is not then kicked back to the beginning of the hearings process. It continues as if the prior approvals of the (old content) bill apply to the new contents.
Given the composition of the CA legislature, such shenanigans probably don't affect the outcome. But I find it an appalling dishonesty.
Since CA has almost no respect for the 2nd Amendment, at what point will the gun owners pack up and move? Let them see what happens when the entire state is disarmed (hint: it won't actually be disarmed because cops & robbers will not bother to move).
Corpral_Agarn
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We lose them all the time to other, less oppressive, states.
The problem is that we have lost too many.
A few of us will stay and fight the good fight. Try to educate people on what all is going on.
Because the people that vote for this stuff have no idea what they are voting for.
They hear things like "Assault weapon" and think, "that sounds deadly. I don't want anyone to have an assault weapon."
When you ask them what an "assault weapon is" they say "a full auto machine gun." Almost every single time.
They have no idea that this applies to Semi autos and the new BS is trying to classify bullet button ARs as "assault weapons"...
The politicians are playing to the massively ignorant (to guns and gun laws) by claiming that some things are just too dangerous to have in peoples hands.
Capybara
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Unfortunately the San Bernardino attack was a go ahead for tyrant legislators to overwhelm law abiding gun owners with what will become numerous stupid gun law proposals. Brown will veto some but some will pass. The sheeple need a scapegoat and we are it. They must "do something". In this case, something will be the victimization of millions of law abiding citizens.
Danez71, hope I am wrong but study the enemy's game plan, they want ALL semi-autos outlawed, they don't care if it's rimfire, centerfire, rifles or pistols. Then it will be lever action, pump action, then deadly bolt action "sniper rifles". What I am saying is true, it's just the timeline that is the variable. Don't you think Governor Newsom will go for all of these and more in his first term? They will only rest after complete disarmament and the average resident of the state is just fine with that.
Danez71, hope I am wrong but study the enemy's game plan, they want ALL semi-autos outlawed, they don't care if it's rimfire, centerfire, rifles or pistols. Then it will be lever action, pump action, then deadly bolt action "sniper rifles". What I am saying is true, it's just the timeline that is the variable. Don't you think Governor Newsom will go for all of these and more in his first term? They will only rest after complete disarmament and the average resident of the state is just fine with that.
Aragon
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"...California will be disarmed in under 10 years, possibly in less than 5 depending on who is seated on the Supreme Court..."
Absolutely no way. There may well be a period when not many guns are sold in CA but what you suggest is nothing more than alarmist absurdity that helps no one.
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<fantasy>
Based on decades of acts constituting a conspiracy to undermine the United States Constitution, a warrant was issued for the arrest of several California legislators and both senators.
Today, the FBI was seen leading them out of the capitol building in handcuffs, in front of gathering media and onlookers.
</fantasy>
Based on decades of acts constituting a conspiracy to undermine the United States Constitution, a warrant was issued for the arrest of several California legislators and both senators.
Today, the FBI was seen leading them out of the capitol building in handcuffs, in front of gathering media and onlookers.
</fantasy>
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While pleasant to contemplate such a comeuppance, the lack of consequences for failed policies is both an important part of the political system and in the California extreme case, allows only for positive feedback - re-election.
Nobody ever goes back to the Legislature and says 'hey, your bill analysis promised X, and after a fair trial it has failed to deliver. I Want My Freedom Back!'
Nobody ever goes back to the Legislature and says 'hey, your bill analysis promised X, and after a fair trial it has failed to deliver. I Want My Freedom Back!'
Capybara
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Aragon:
Who will stop them? You don't think Governor Newsom, in his second term, won't go for this? SCOTUS isn't touching 2A cases and we've seen with Peruta what will happen with any Pro 2A ruling as far as the 9th. I'm a lifelong resident, born here, spent my entire life here and I see little to stop them from disarming the state, it's just how many years it will take them. There is no adherence to the 2A in this state.
Who will stop them? You don't think Governor Newsom, in his second term, won't go for this? SCOTUS isn't touching 2A cases and we've seen with Peruta what will happen with any Pro 2A ruling as far as the 9th. I'm a lifelong resident, born here, spent my entire life here and I see little to stop them from disarming the state, it's just how many years it will take them. There is no adherence to the 2A in this state.
The "them" you are referring to are the majority of citizens of your state that elected the politicians you dislike.
Who will stop them for completely disarming your state? The majority of the population that does not support complete disarmament and the courts that say it is unconstitutional.
Aragon
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"...California will be disarmed in under 10 years, possibly in less than 5 depending on who is seated on the Supreme Court..."
Ain't gonna happen. If such an attempt was made it would be tied up in the courts. And even if it passed through the courts, not many are going to hand over their arms.
There must be 30-40M legal firearms in CA. If you think residents are going to turn them over if it came down to it, then you're naive.
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