NY State crosschecking medical records with pistol permits

Kenneth said:

Tresmond Law

Somebody should tell Joe Biden that this s(stuff)t is really happening before he makes any more snide remarks about the "black helicopter crowd".

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If patient is on something like: fluphenazine, haloperidal, lithium,..... cocktail it would not be good idea for them to actually own a firearm. I mean what would happen if they decide to stop taking their meds?

Actually I have no problem with what they're doing at all.

See, right there you have the problem, we don't know. Don't know what they will or won't do. Don't know why they're taking it or why they quit.

We also don't know about the people who should be on meds but aren't.

We also don't know about what any of the so-called normal people might do tomorrow. Or even later today.

Involvement with the legal system needs to continue to be based on actual behavior, not just an observer's fears.

John

I don't care what medications people are on. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

The amendment did not stipulate medications or state of minds. Next thing you know, they'll make the 1st amendment dependent upon mental status and the right to vote based upon some other absurd condition that meets their agenda.

Fact is, a person with a mental condition that makes them prone to violence can do just as much damage with fertilizer and diesel fuel, cars, semi's, and other creative means.

Do not fall for the tricks and emotional please of the liberal left.

Pablo: We need to take your guns. The aspirin you took might cause you to kill your in-laws.

Another slippery slope. Today it's Zoloft, tomorrow it's pain medication, next it's if you were ever in psychotherapy...

If I understand correctly, the NY SAFE Act only allows for taking someone's weapons if a mental health professional judges that the person under treatment is potentially a threat to themselves or others. I would think that not only does the activity referenced by the OP violate HIPAA (amongst other laws and the Bill of Rights), it seems to violate the NY SAFE Act (IANAL).

Really. Tell me how many people on these meds have committed mass murder. We can only explain things like Newtown as being done by mentally ill people. Problem is they were not mentally ill but just plain evil and you can't do a thing for that.

Also how many people who need help will not seek it because of losing their rights.

what about juiced up cops and steroid rage?? and many of them might be on psyhco meds to deal with stress

PabloJ said:

Actually I have no problem with what they're doing at all.

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Luckily, the Constitution was written to protect my rights from people like you.

Also, the HIPPA law states that a patient's medical information is sealed and cannot be accessed without a warrant. What is not often brought up was that one of the motivations for creation of HIPPA was to ensure the privacy of patients seeking or receiving mental health treatment (if memory serves). Funny how they (the government) is now going against the very original intention and motivation of the law.

The ONLY mental health information that should be permitted to be forwarded to NICS data base ... ADJUDICATIONS OF MENTAL DEFECT and INVOLUNTARY COMMITTMENTS!

In my opinion, "permitted" should actually read: "MANDATED (and paid for my the Feds)

Any other mental health or medical information is beyond DUE PROCESS!

Its only a theory till the conspiracy comes true.

If everyone in the US went to a psychiatrist, fully 75% of citizens would be diagnosed with a mental illness according to their definitions.

Back in the day there was no ADHD, you were just hyper. No Aspergers either, you were just better at some things than others.

See where this is headed?

PabloJ said:

If patient is on ...

Actually I have no problem with what they're doing at all.

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This is dangerous thinking. thank goodness the Constitution was written to protect me. There have been various times in my medical career when I didn't recognize how important protections for the patient really are. The medical professionals do us a service when they report dangerous individuals. As recent events have shown, the police may do nothing with that information.

But to have the government trolling through medical records. This is outrageous, and should be opposed with whatever force is necessary. Let's suppose you are prescribed a sleeping aid, because of the death of a loved one. Should we then revoke your firearms? That might affect 3 million people per year. Once you start agreeing to take away other peoples rights, watch out where it ends.

this all comes from the obsession of gun owners spouting off the law abiding can own guns. I do not see that in the 2nd. I don't care who buys a gun because if everyone was allowed to get a gun the crazies would not get out of line and if they did they would be eliminated. the constant blabbering of the law abiding gun owner has put the people who want to take your guns to decide who is law abiding and while passing 70000 new laws a year no one will be law abiding

@pabloj ...... You need to seriously reflect on your statement! This decision to take a medication is between a doctor and patient.....NOBODY ELSE! We should enforce existing laws, not create new ones aimed to steal our rights.

It is gun owners like Pabloj that are leading us down this very slippery slope to confiscation. Open your eyes.

Oh, by the way, I am a licensed health care provider and feel government reaching its greedy hands into my practice and patient's charts is wrong on many levels.

Oh, and one more thing......The way this is going, more people who should be on meds will not. They will stop going to their doctors in an effort to stay under the radar and this new legislation may actually have a net increase on violent crime as more people walk around unmediated worrying when the government is coming for them!

Don't be so quick to trust "medical professionals". They have their biases like everyone else, and their own political agendas. I met a physician who said he believes that anyone who believes that they need a gun to protect themselves or their family is by definition a dangerous and mentally ill person. Psychiatry is more guesswork than science, and the way it is practiced today is to assess symptoms (all totally subjective) and then prescribe medications. If it doesn't help, try some different meds or different doses. And I guarantee you it will depend on where you are as to what conclusion the psychiatrist reaches. Go to one in a rural western area and tell him/her that you own 20+ firearms, love to shoot, and believe that you should teach your children how to do the same, safely. He will probably say: "OK, so do I, now what brings you here today?". Tell the same thing to one in mid-town Manhattan, or Boston, or DC, and he will probably have heard enough to conclude you are suffering from paranoid delusions, exhibit sociopathic behavior, and are a danger to others. The courts are not perfect, but anything short of an actual adjudicated conclusion that someone is mentally ill and a threat to society as a reason for denying them their 2nd Amendment rights is a very, very dangerous path to take.

So at what point do we turn this on the officials in NY?
How many in the law enforcement of NY have been on these medications that warrant such extreme measures? For that matter how many of the politicians of NY have had such issues or have been on these medications?
I am absolutely confounded that the citizens of NY haven't thrown the bums out.

To the comments about HIPAA, I was under the impression that many of the HIPAA laws were changed within AHCA.

@vito - You are so correct. I constantly go head to head with some of my liberal peers and would sure hate to have them making a decision if I should own a gun. For most of them, there answer is a definitive 'no' for everyone because they don't 'believe' in private gun ownership. My only advice.....shop for a doctor that has belief system in alignment with yours. How to do this.... Start by asking friends and family. It usually becomes readily apparent when someone has strong liberal beliefs just by having simple, casual conversations. Above all, if you are in need of medical care, do not abandon the system for fear of this. It is still more important to get lifesaving treatment if needed.

What happened to doctor patient confidentiality? This amounts to a witch hunt. The war against the weak has just escalated.

If they want to search, then do so fairly. Start with the rich and influential. Then top level state and federal employees. Then judge and politicians. I gurantee it won't get far.