has your doctor asked you??

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It's never come up yet. Our family doctor (who's also our Ped) is a guy we met at church. Don't know if he's a gunnie or not.

When our daughter was still cooking we went to a Birth Center for all the pre-natal care and for the delivery. They never mentioned guns, and they don't have any brochures on the subject either (I've looked). A little surprising given that pretty much all the midwives and nurses working there are ardent feminists and liberals.
 
My doctor is one of the best customers we have :)

And he dont mess around...Parkers, Pre 64s, double rifles....:eek:

Got another Doc that just bought a Barrett 50...

WildheyyamakeityaspenditAlaska
 
I have never had a doctor ask this, nor has my daughter's pediatrician asked (though they do have some stupid poster that suggests that "every 20 seconds a child is killed by a gun").

Boundary violation is a good way of looking at it, but I would rather point out that they may be outside the scope of their practice. I would then ask what type of training they have had in firearms and what are the sources of their information?
 
"Doc, I'll ask you for gun safety info after you ask me for advice on performing Cardiac Transplant surgery."
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I've never been asked by any doctors I've been to, but I'm thinking I might use a line like that. ;-)
 
Asking that question is no longer a boundary violation (if it ever really was in the first place). In fact, it is becoming standard of care.

Other doctors determine what is within the boundaries and what is standard of care. When major medical organizations encourage their membership to deal with guns as a public health problem, then these questions become legitimate.

You can cry boundary violation all day, but who will you cry to? The state medical board? Guess who's on the board.
 
My doctor's waiting room is full of mounted specimens of what he has caught and what he has shot. The huge sailfish on one wall has what I could swear is bullet hole right behind the gill. I've asked him about it but he just smiles...
 
My old eye doc was a big time hunter. Ever other year, he went on safari in Africa. He showed me photos of his younger days, he used to hunt elephants and lions before politics really got involved. Over a dozen big bore weapons. Hey, everyone's gotta have a hobby.

In the waiting room, he had stuffed pheasants, turkeys, couple deer head, etc. About half a dozen different gun magazines. When I was a lot younger, he used to give me a stack of the older copies every time I visited. Nice guy, retired recently. One of the last of the "old breed".
 
My doctor doesn't have to ask me.
The last visit I placed my carry pistol on his table when I had to drop my Jeans.:)

Actually he's been hunting in Africa twice.


If I did go to a doctor and he started in with,

"Do your kids ride in carseats all the time?"
"Any questions on carseats, or how to use them? Many folks don't use them right."
"Do they wear helmets when biking, skating, and skiing?"
"Lots of good info now on helmets and skiing. Here, have some..."
"...store poisons/cleaning supplies...?"
"...unattended in bath...?"
"...fire escape plan...?"
"...fire extinguisher...?"
"...guns in house?"
"Stored safely?"
"Any questions on that?"
"...know CPR/how to handle choking?"
"...Poison Control Center number handy?"
etc.

I'de tell him there's not a damned thing on this list that's any of his or the "states" business.

A doctor's job is to ask if you pee regularly, not get in your families business.

Are people really so stupid now that they have to be asked these kind of questions?:(
 
My brother works as nurse assist. at a local hospital. When I asked him if this is usually considered a "boundary violation" his response was that the doctors he works for ask this because of something to do with certain patients "mental stability". I can see a point, however I believe its none of their business if there is no evidence of mental unhealth. And thus screaming "boundary violation" wouldnt do much.

P.S. My doctor has never asked me, probably because I asked him if I was ok to shoot big bore rifles after recovering from spinal fusions. :D
 
I'de tell him there's not a damned thing on this list that's any of his or the "states" business.
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Take off your tinfoil hat. He wasn't reporting any of it to "the state." He wasn't even writing down the answers.
A doctor's job is to ask if you pee regularly, not get in your families business.
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I guess we disagree. I have no problem with a family practice doc talking the larger view, as long as he's not pushing any agenda. I guess I'll decide what my doc's "job" is.

Scott

"Hmm...that looks odd. Any history of cancer in your family?"
"That's none of your or the state's business!"
"Hmm...any history of mental illness?"
 
Scotts,

It's not a matter of a "Tin Foil Hat".

My life is an open book and I don't have any kids or family.

I understand your doctor wanting to help you.
When my wife died last year, my doctor was concerned about me but even then he didn't ask me if I was going to go sky diving without a parachute.
It was just none of his (professional) business.

It's a matter that now a days everyone from the Federal government to, in this case, a Doctor thinks they have the right to ask you anything about your personel life they want.

Of course we are supposed to go along with the politically correct BS because it's "for our own good or it's for the children" or it's because we are too stupid to take care of our own family and affairs.

The answers to, If I have guns in the house or any of those other questions, are no ones business but my own.

The first doctor that asks me if I own guns, I'll ask him if he owns porno tapes.:D
 
I think, Scott, that you need to read the article that opened this thread and then maybe do a bit of research on the subject. it certainly is not idle chat, some doctors are indeed writing it down and in some areas it is indeed a matter of record.

Generally I've discovered when someone accuses someone else of having a tinfoil hat it is because their own head may, possibly, be buried in the sand. I suppose either method offers the same level of protection. :)
 
I think, Scott, that you need to read the article that opened this thread and then maybe do a bit of research on the subject.
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I am with Scott here, I don't see the "state" connection, though I wouldn't have made the tin-foil hat comment. Some doctors work for the government, most don't. If you can show me some proof that this information is being used against gun owners, I'll pay attention. Otherwise, I've got enough to keep an eye with all of the blatant privacy violations.
 
Well Steves, we know the AMA is a hard core anti gun organization.

I have no doubt that any gun info they receive that could be twisted and used against gun owners in any manner, they would use.

Hasn't the AMA and CDC already tried to call "gun violence" a disease?
Which I would think would give the CDC/government a big part in control over gun ownership.


Oh my, I've got my tin foil hat on again.:D
 
I think, Scott, that you need to read the article that opened this thread and then maybe do a bit of research on the subject. it certainly is not idle chat, some doctors are indeed writing it down and in some areas it is indeed a matter of record.
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Let's see, the Title of the thread is, "has [sic] your doctor asked you??" I responded, "Yes, and here's the context of the question, and it doesn't concern/offend me." M2Carbine then quoted my message, and said that, in my situation, "I'de [sic] tell him there's not a damned thing on this list that's any of his or the "states" [sic] business," to which I responded that 1) he wasn't taking notes; 2) "The State" was never going to find out; and 3) assuming he was capturing this information somehow and reporting it to "The State" (just who is "The State" in this case, anyway?) strikes me as a bit overboard.

...in some areas it is indeed a matter of record. A matter of record?? Where? The Bureau of Doctor Reported Firearms? Think the AFT(E) has a special hotline for Doctors, and a special registry? Or, do you mean "This will go on your permanent record," like the principal used to say.

For me, it's all about context. Notice in the opening lines of my post, I said, He didn't say, "Hi, I'm Dr Feelgood. Got any evil guns?" He asked it in the context of general safe home enviornment stuff, and it wasn't even the first thing on the list, which is as it should be. I have no problem with the question in this context.

If I walked into my doc, and he said, "Do you own any guns?", quickly jotted the information down on a piece of paper, called in his nurse and said, "Send this off to HQ, immediately!", then I might look at it differently.

Scott
 
I don't like talking to doctors about anything outside of my health or the weather.

Last summer I hurt myself at work (fell 15 feet off a ladder onto a concrete floor) Towards the end of my treatment, the doctor found out that I was in the military and studying political science in school. Well, she instantly started on this rant about how the president is like Hitler and all this other stuff, totally whacked stuff that makes Mikey Moore seem sane. When she finally paused to take a breath I asked her if she would mind focusing on my knee since she's the doctor and I'll focus on the politics since I'm the political scientist. She was stunned, it was as if I had just slapped her in the face. I could tell that she was not used to anyone saying anything like that to her.

As to the gun questions...When I'm a parent I'll have no problem with the question of "Do you own guns" followed up by "Do you properly secure them"...that is no more innocent than "Are you sexually active" followed up by "Do you practice safe sex?".

If the doctor would start spieling jibberish then that would be another story...
 
When she finally paused to take a breath I asked her if she would mind focusing on my knee since she's the doctor and I'll focus on the politics since I'm the political scientist.
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I was laughing so hard at this people were coming in from the hall to see what was so funny. I would have paid money to see her face.

Scott
 
As far as my lead test being in a secret gun owner registry goes:

I have a CCW permit in my state of Delaware, I also hold one in Pennsylvania, so I guess the Dept of Homeland Security and who-ever else in the Govt wants to know already is well aware of the fact that I am an Evil Gun owner.:what: :neener:
 
Gentlemen and ladies, if any responded:

I started this discussion, via the posting of an article from JPFO (Jews For The Preservation of Firearms). While it might appear that Jews are anti-gun, it's simply that some are, just as some non-jews are also. Several medical organizations have taken up an anti gun position, despite the
fact that many doctors are gun owners, shooters, hunters and collectors.

Re that, consider this, if you will. While the AFL and CIO have long had "gun control planks" in their "national platforms", union members are often pro-gun, which leaves the question of who these leaders actually represent open to question, to say the very least. By the way, former Ohio Senator Metzenbaum is Jewish, and was an anti gun as the proverbial summers day is long. There are a great many gun owners/shooters resident in Ohio, which raises some question concerning whom it might be that Metzenbaum represented, other than himself.

This aside, please re-read carefully the article, or at least the following excerpt therefrom:


What happens to that gun information? The new medical law called HIPAA, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (first passed in 1996) requires in 2003 privacy and confidentiality measures that destroy both privacy and confidentiality. All medical records must be available for governmental Electronic Data Interchange. Gun questions are routine on kids’ 24 month exams, 3 and 4 year old child checkups. Has your doctor asked about your guns? What about your kid’s or grandchild’s pediatrician?

Any individual might blandly accept questions that are anathma to another, however respecting written answers to questionaires, the question remaining is the following. Where do the answers go, and who has access to this data? The fact that certain data is or might be available from other sources is entirely beside the point I submit, for in the last analysis, a doctor is licensed to practice medicine, and is so trained.

Questions that go beyond treatment under consideration, or that which might be appropriate to a MEDICAL CONDITION, are most certainly that previously mentioned BOUNDARY VIOLATION, or so it seems to me. While this sort of thing might prove acceptable to some, it isn't to me, not is it to others, or so it seems.
 
Simple. You do not tell anyone anything that is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!
Your doctor is no different than the plumber you hire to unplug your toilet or the mechanic you hire to repair your car. Your doctor is just HIRED HELP.

You do not need to use "boundary violation" or any other scheme to maintain your privacy.
 
The fact that certain data is or might be available from other sources is entirely beside the point I submit, for in the last analysis, a doctor is licensed to practice medicine, and is so trained.
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I strongly disagree. It is precisely the point, as in "What difference does it make?" As someone previously posted, if you have purchased one firearm on a yellow sheet, or have a CCW, or an FOID, or, or...then "they" know you have firearms. Why am I suddenly concerned my doctor may also tell "them."

It is far less than clear that a question like this, in context, is a BOUNDRY VIOLATION. If you think it is, or that it's none of his business (as was clearly stated above) or you think the Doc part of some X-Files plot to identify gun owners, or if you just think he's a jerk, then just don't answer it. Seems pretty straight forward to me. What is this, "Sign the papers, Old Man!"

As for me, between being retired military, my C&R FFL, my CCW, the guns I've bought, and the Security Clearances I hold, I might as well have an anal tracking device anyway. I'm sure not going to worry about what info the kids ped is collecting.

Scott
 
ScottS, my thoughts exactly.

Even just simply posting on this forum is probably enough to get many of us an FBI file, so if anyone thinks the .gov doesn't already know about our guns (even the private party purchases), or that they couldn't find out if they wanted to then Fantasy Land is coming up as the next stop.

Many of us talk freely on here about this gun or that gun we own. It wouldn't be all that hard for me, let alone the .gov, to research the old posts by most members on here and come up with a pretty good idea of their personal inventory of firearms.

So why be so paranoid about telling your doctor that you own guns when you're not even telling them what kind. I know, I know, just becuase you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you. But really, until my doc starts asking for serial numbers I'm not going to worry. And even then, I'll just drop him and go to someone else.
 
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