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smalls · Apr 13, 2013

But the OP asked me to critique so I did. The 1911 takes someone who is going to put in the work to maintain the pistol a lot more than a glock requires (for example making sure the extract is within spec). I know guys who carry an extra extract that had to be tuned tuned by a gunsmith to the right tension, to major matches just in case. If my glock goes down at a major match and I didn't have a spare extractor on me I could run to any gun store and probably pick one up no tuning by a smith required. Most people don't put in that time and dedication.

When I bought my first 1911 the extractor tension was way off. Took me 5 minutes to figure out how to tune it. Any idiot can tune an extractor.

As far as maintaining a 1911? http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=413471

They run just like any other gun. And he's running an Ed Brown, which are pretty tight.

I'm not sure what people think the magical part in a 1911 is that makes them run differently than a Glock, but I assure you it's not really there.

More LEOs use glock more than any other weapon for a reason

Yeah, they're department got a great deal on them, and that's why they decided to issue them.

smalls · Apr 13, 2013

And since I remembered as I was getting dressed today, here's an updated picture if everything I carry on a daily basis, minus the iPhone that took this super high quality picture, and smokes:

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WC145 · Apr 13, 2013

jamrock said:
But the OP asked me to critique so I did. The 1911 takes someone who is going to put in the work to maintain the pistol a lot more than a glock requires (for example making sure the extract is within spec). I know guys who carry an extra extracter that had to be tuned by a gunsmith to the right tension, to major matches just in case. If my glock goes down at a major match and I didn't have a spare extractor on me I could run to any gun store and probably pick one up no tuning by a smith required. Most people don't put in that time and dedication.

I've never had any reliability issues with quality 1911s nor do my guns require any more maintenance than any other - shoot, clean, lube, repeat. I carry them on duty (when in plain clothes), off duty, and shoot IDPA with them. This myth that a 1911 is somehow more sensitive or difficult to live with than any other gun and requires you to have a gunsmith on retainer is tiresome. Generations of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines managed just fine with 1911s, guns that were maintained in standard military fashion (field strip, clean, lube) and functioned in all environments and conditions. No special care or tuning required.

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More LEOs use glock more than any other weapon for a reason

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Yeah, they're department got a great deal on them, and that's why they decided to issue them.

That's a huge part of why Glocks are so popular with PDs. Yes, they're simple and reliable, but the fact that Glock practically gives them away to agencies is a major factor.

Aceoky · Apr 13, 2013

tarosean said:
What are those reasons?

Made in USA, better warranty, option of a safety (1911 type) a much better grip design and IMO better design overall. You don't have to buy a new barrel to shoot lead either. The "idea" the Glock is the ONLY possible "great choice" is hilarious IMO

Aceoky · Apr 13, 2013

WC145 said:
I've never had any reliability issues with quality 1911s nor do my guns require any more maintenance than any other - shoot, clean, lube, repeat. I carry them on duty (when in plain clothes), off duty, and shoot IDPA with them. This myth that a 1911 is somehow more sensitive or difficult to live with than any other gun and requires you to have a gunsmith on retainer is tiresome. Generations of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines managed just fine with 1911s, guns that were maintained in standard military fashion (field strip, clean, lube) and functioned in all environments and conditions. No special care or tuning required.

That's a huge part of why Glocks are so popular with PDs. Yes, they're simple and reliable, but the fact that Glock practically gives them away to agencies is a major factor.

+1....

easyg · Apr 13, 2013

mesinge2 · Apr 13, 2013

Inebriated · Apr 13, 2013

Today (and pretty much any day I'm outside in warm weather) is a G26, spare G17 mag (both with HST 147gr), Benchmade Adamas, keys, phone, wallet, SOG Powerlock multi-tool, sunglasses, Streamlight Stylus Pro, and a pen of some sort.

Might get a pic later.

skt239 · Apr 13, 2013

If you can stand the weight of that pistol, more power to you. I think its a great choice. There a are some other things I carry occasionally not pictured; like a small Fenix flashlight or second reload.

radiotom · Apr 13, 2013

jamrock · Apr 13, 2013

tarosean said:
Economics play a larger role in procurement of firearms in state, city and township municipalities, rather than whats stamped on the slide.

As someone who has owned both, this is like comparing which port-a-potty smells better the Blue one or the Yellow one...

Whenever I hear people say the price of glocks alone play a role in department selection I refer them to these articles on departments giving up on 1911 which where probably 2 or 3 times more expensive. I would rather see the average person with a sig or h&k over a 1911.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2011/02/06/1965071/ale-trades-troublesome-guns.html

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2011/09/12/delta-force-and-the-glock/#more-8922

travisd · Apr 13, 2013

Plus keys phone etc.

And jamrock we get it that you're a little Glock fanboy so why don't you go find somewhere else to troll. Judging from your posts its obvious that's all you're doing and that you have no experience with a 1911 whatsoever. I could find a hundred sites of other people talking crap about Glocks compared to 1911s. Sure people like them but even though I wouldn't buy one I don't go starting fights for the fun of it
Also nice guns everyone, especially all those 1911s

Robbins290 · Apr 13, 2013

S&w 3913 when i dress up. And glock 30sf otherwise.

peacemaker45 · Apr 13, 2013

Sorry for the crappy pic. Didn't feel like going and finding a real camera, but wanted the phone in the pic. Hence, the attempt to use an iPad as a camera.

The list:
Plantronics Bluetooth
Casio Commando
Kel-Tec P32 with an old Uncle Mikes pocket holster
Enormous Justin wallet
ACE Pocket comb (because I know how detail obsessed some of y'all are. :neener:

)
Benchmade 10210S
Spare mag
Gob of keys on a carabiner.

tomrkba · Apr 13, 2013

That article is bull-oney.

I agree the 1911 in any incarnation is not the greatest fighting pistol. Good thing we are carrying for defense then and not for the inevitable showdown at the OK.

I guess what I carry for defense is merely a novelty item.

My S&W Model 442 must be too. I like it quite a bit. I wish it had a pinned front sight, but it'll do in low light if I have my light in hand.

However, regarding the 1911, Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance spends quite a bit of time talking about the 1911's maintenance requirements. It is quite important that the owner follow the maintenance schedule (and have the skills to do so). He also speaks about what is necessary for building a duty 1911 (which also qualifies it as an EDC gun). It's important to build the gun properly and many manufacturers deviate from the standard.

I think all Caleb was saying with that article is that the $1,000 1911 is the minimum price for a gun with the maximum chance of being closer to the standard. I think that the number is too low in 2013 and is more based upon certain models by certain manufacturers. This doesn't mean that a particular instance won't be a good gun.

I dislike the term "Hobby Gun". It imparts an incorrect connotation as if it cannot be used for self-defense. It's an "Aficionado's Gun" because it requires some additional skills to maintain. The aficionado will spend the money to buy one and modify it as necessary. Many such will also take the time to learn how to maintain the gun properly. I do not see this as a major issue, but apparently many people never learn these skills. Treating a 1911 like a Glock only increases the odds of a problem.

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns · Apr 14, 2013

Already posted my EDC here,

I must say, something must be wrong with both of my 1911s! They haven't required any additional special extra maintenance than any of my other guns, I've got 6000+ through my S&W with not a single failure, and 1000+ and counting through my Cimarron/Armscor also without a single failure... I must have received defective 1911s

Shifty · Apr 14, 2013

Glock 26 IWB in a Galco holster with integral mag pouch. Beater Boker Jim Wagner knife, phone, and situational awareness. When in doubt, get the hell out.

jamrock · Apr 14, 2013

travisd said:
Plus keys phone etc.

And jamrock we get it that you're a little Glock fanboy so why don't you go find somewhere else to troll. Judging from your posts its obvious that's all you're doing and that you have no experience with a 1911 whatsoever. I could find a hundred sites of other people talking crap about Glocks compared to 1911s. Sure people like them but even though I wouldn't buy one I don't go starting fights for the fun of it
Also nice guns everyone, especially all those 1911s

I have owned an Sti Trojan and a Springfield 1911. Once both guns got cycled 5,000 to 10,000 the reliability problems began to accure and the constant trips to gunsmith began. I had to shoot my glocks when the 1911s were being worked on. When the same glocks hit those 5,000 to 10,000 mark. The only work that was need was to swap out the springs no small parts to replace or need to be fitted. I would rather see the average person that will put less than 10k rounds through their entire collection edc a Sig, M&P, smith or ruger revolver or a glock.

jamrock · Apr 14, 2013

tomrkba said:
My S&W Model 442 must be too. I like it quite a bit. I wish it had a pinned front sight, but it'll do in low light if I have my light in hand.

However, regarding the 1911, Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance spends quite a bit of time talking about the 1911's maintenance requirements. It is quite important that the owner follow the maintenance schedule (and have the skills to do so). He also speaks about what is necessary for building a duty 1911 (which also qualifies it as an EDC gun). It's important to build the gun properly and many manufacturers deviate from the standard.

I think all Caleb was saying with that article is that the $1,000 1911 is the minimum price for a gun with the maximum chance of being closer to the standard. I think that the number is too low in 2013 and is more based upon certain models by certain manufacturers. This doesn't mean that a particular instance won't be a good gun.

I dislike the term "Hobby Gun". It imparts an incorrect connotation as if it cannot be used for self-defense. It's an "Aficionado's Gun" because it requires some additional skills to maintain. The aficionado will spend the money to buy one and modify it as necessary. Many such will also take the time to learn how to maintain the gun properly. I do not see this as a major issue, but apparently many people never learn these skills. Treating a 1911 like a Glock only increases the odds of a problem.

I agree def an "Aficionado's Gun" and if you treat it like a glock your asking for it to malfunction.

jamrock · Apr 14, 2013

WC145 said:
Since this has turned into a picture thread I'll add a couple. This is my current off duty/EDC gun, it's a Novak/Joe Bonar custom Colt 1991A1 Commander. Of course, it is accompanied by the usual array of pocket stuff - knife, keys, phone, etc - they just didn't make it into these pics.

Nice good quality 1911

WC145 · Apr 14, 2013

Hmmm... Our local S.O. switched from Glock 21s to Kimber 1911s a couple of years ago and haven't had any trouble. I don't even like Kimbers (I'm a Colt guy) but I train and qualify with the S.O. and the guns have performed admirably.

Of course, I can also refer you to the news report on the Marines ordering up a couple thousand Colt rail guns. I'm sure that if they wanted to they could have bought Glocks but apparently they didn't meet their criteria. There's no denying that Glocks are solid guns with a great reputation but they are not the all that ends all and they're not the answer to every person or depts needs.

Also, thanks for the comment on my gun, but, and I mean no offense, a Joe Bonar built Colt is quite a bit better than "good quality".

StrutStopper · Apr 14, 2013

This is the only gun I've carried, My favorite gun is my Ruger SR1911 though. I should probably pick up a holster for it too. I carry the LC9 in a Desantis Nemesis. I'll probably pick up an IWB holster for it too soon.

jamrock · Apr 14, 2013

smalls said:
When I bought my first 1911 the extractor tension was way off. Took me 5 minutes to figure out how to tune it. Any idiot can tune an extractor.

As far as maintaining a 1911? http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=413471

They run just like any other gun. And he's running an Ed Brown, which are pretty tight.

I'm not sure what people think the magical part in a 1911 is that makes them run differently than a Glock, but I assure you it's not really there.

Yeah, they're department got a great deal on them, and that's why they decided to issue them.

I just don't understand why you would buy a gun that out of the box doesn't function correctly and needs tweaking.

http://blog.redstatetactical.com/training-tips-from-larry-vickers-1911-operator-class/

smalls · Apr 14, 2013

I've seen plenty of other guns that either needed tweaking, or just didn't work at all out of the box, including your beloved Glocks.

Every once in a while, a gun or a part slips through the QC cracks. It happens. It was a fix that took me all of 1 or 2 minutes, and it's been great since. I got over it.

This "every 1911 under $xxxx needs tons of work to run reliably. And even then it'll probably still fail " crap is really irritating.

Aceoky · Apr 14, 2013

smalls said:
I've seen plenty of other guns that either needed tweaking, or just didn't work at all out of the box, including your beloved Glocks.

Every once in a while, a gun or a part slips through the QC cracks. It happens. It was a fix that took me all of 1 or 2 minutes, and it's been great since. I got over it.

This "every 1911 under $xxxx needs tons of work to run reliably. And even then it'll probably still fail " crap is really irritating.

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