Firearms Fraud Alert

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I'm not sure where to post this, so if it needs to be moved, so be it.I just want to warn board members about Patrick Baylor, P.O. Box 180444,Arlington, TX 76096 - 214-777-3333. I paid him $1,600 for a Colt Mustang Plus II Lite on 15 June 2013 and to date he has neither returned my money nor shipped the pistol to my dealer. He has not answered my e-mails nor his telephone - until today, when he told me I had the wrong number. My cell phone, however, clearly recorded it as the correct number. He has also defrauded GunBroker and GunsAmerica of their fees, and I have filed charges against him with the Arlington, Texas, police department, the U.S. Postal Inspectors, the FBI, and the BATFE. We might as well use the agencies we pay for to actually enforce the laws for a change. If anyone has any knowledge of this person, please contact me at [email protected]. Thanks! Tom W. Glaser
 
That's only about an hour from me, want me to track him down and rough him up a little for ya?:D
 
I'm not sure of your protocol, but I have bought and sold off GB. Re GB, I only deal with people with significant positive feedback. Thus far, I haven't been burned. Thus far. (Knock on wood.)

To the OP, did your seller have a long standing history of legitimate business? Just curious.
 
It could be rather tiresome for a swindler living every day looking over his shoulder, with no idea who recognizes him, and with no idea when he will be in serious need of a board-certified...
 
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grtscott .....He has also defrauded GunBroker and GunsAmerica....
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So which site did he list it? Typically a seller will do one or the other and a buyer wouldn't buy from both.

and I have filed charges against him with the Arlington, Texas, police department, the U.S. Postal Inspectors, the FBI, and the BATFE.
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This doesn't make sense.........YOU can file a complaint, not "charges".
Is there actually a warrant out for his arrest?

ATF does not get involved with these types of disputes.
 
You are wasting your time with BATFE and FBI; you might have better luck with the USPS but only if you sent payment by a postal money order. If you made payment by credit card, the card company might be able to bring pressure on him.

BATFE has no mandate to provide consumer protection, and it is not likely the FBI will get involved. The difficulty and cost of making claims in another state is what the scam artists count on to keep defrauding people.

One fellow ordered a collector's sword for a couple of hundred dollars, and received a faked up piece of trash. The seller refused to make good. So the buyer sued and got his money back plus damages of a few thousand dollars. He estimated the suit cost him over a hundred thousand but said it was a matter of principle. Unfortunately, not many of us can do that.

Jim
 
you might have better luck with the USPS
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The USPS for anything less than $100K isn't going to happen. A lot of people think a usps money order is a magic talisman, but it isn't true. Those guys can't even get a letter to the right place and you think they'll intervene for a single transaction? What? You get burned for a $1000 transaction and they'll drop everything to find the perp?

That's pretty funny.
 
Do you have a lawyer who is a friend? Or rather a friend who is a lawyer, sue him and get a default judgment, "when he fails to appear" I still have one on a tenant whom I leased an apartment to 25 yrs. ago. I renew it every so many yrs. I don't know if it still shows up but she was a Para legal, Lived in an apartment I owned in NYC, for 3 yrs. before I could get her out. That was the way the NYC tenant/landlord laws used to be.
If he has a house or applies for a car loan, it will haunt him forever. You may get paid after he sees how it effects his credit.
Imagine paying maintenance and a mortgage for someone you aren't even fooling around with.
 
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Surely affirms that face to face transfers are at least more reliable... sorry for your financial loss.. 1600 is certainly a kick in the chops
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It would be nice if gunbroker could set up some sort of credit card/debit card payment feature (similar to paypal for ebay) for private sellers that do not accept visa/mastercard. I would have no problem buying non face to face using my card
 
Back in the early 90's I ran a small sign company, most customers were other sign companies that didn't want to go to the expense and learning curve to produce their own Vinyl Graphics. I had two "customers" that used ever excuse in the book as to why they could not pay. It is amazing when collection agency that uses a Louisville slugger as a calling card can get results real quick. Creeps that feed on distance and time lost to fight in court is how they try to get away with thing like this, I have a son-in-law that lives in that general area, could get him to pay a visit for you
 
Is it safe to assume he's been banned from GunBroker? If not, maybe post his username so no one makes the mistake of bidding on his auctions.
 
When I owned the World Gym, we used a collections agency. They were able to collect on more than half of the ones I gave them by doing what I mentioned above, Also depending on the state, a collections agent can charge up to ten times the original debt for "fees", all of a sudden a 1,600 dollar debt can go much higher, and it comes from a legitimate collections agent which means it's going on your credit report.
I used to collect a good percentage of them myself, with 5000 members, but some people really don't care what you do.
If you hooked onto a real loser, drugged out, or ganged up" it's much harder to collect.
Just let him know you are not going away.
 
There was a thread here some time back (a year? two?) where a THR member found a LEO in the sellers hometown who got very involved in the failed and fraudulent transaction. I want to say that having a cop show up a few times caused the fraud artist to settle up, but I won't swear to it.

Get a name of an officer in the fraud division of the seller's town and stay in touch. Hate to say it, but these days the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Everyone else gets forgotten.

Q
 
Checking that guy's name on Google, on the large page with people who all have the same name, a few are already dressed
in fashionable Prison Orange. Maybe the correct Mr. -- will join them?
 
Holder and the DOJ have scammers working the auction sites. It's all part of the Obama anti-gun initiative.
 
Surely affirms that face to face transfers are at least more reliable..
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While I Agree.. Sometimes you just cannot find what you want in your area/region. Thats the great thing about the internet.. Yet you also need to be more diligent and investigate a little before sending off your hard earned cash....
 
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