Denver Post has a poll up on the starbucks gun issue

Link?

I'll skip it. I can only imagine how Starbucks must feel because I have had enough of it already.

http://www.denverpost.com/

Bottom left.

66% Yes, Agree with Starbucks decision to ask customers to NOT carry.

33% No, Do not agree with Starbucks decision to ask customers to NOT carry.

Jim

I vote "Yes". People acted like idiots -- and the worst offenders probably didn't even buy any coffee.

Bob, by people I assume you only mean gun owners since nothing in the letter penalizes the anti gun crowd. From what you wrote I have to assume that you don't think any of the anti gun crowd acted like idiots. You voted your opinion, and even if I don't agree with it is still your right.

I think the protesters were not doing us a favor, however I don't agree with what Starbuck's did in that that could simply have asked EVERYONE to quit coming in and demonstrating. Instead they singled out gun owners and asked ALL gun owners not to bring their guns in. I don't buy the "if they don't see it, it will be ok" argument. Either I'm allowed to bring it in or I'm not. If I bring it in, it needs to stay in the holster unless needed for an actual threat.

Now I have to find a substitute for Starbuck's French Roast for my espresso machine. I'm going to have to start mail ordering my coffee...

Jim

"Instead they singled out gun owners"

^^^ As well they should have.

The presence of "Idiots" (Oh... I meant "Activists") is the problem, and without them there are no counter-idiots (Oh, I meant "counter-protesters"). So asking folks to leave their shootin'-irons in the closet when coming in for a cup of joe is the right thing to say.

This is a perfect demonstration of the fact that not everyone who "is on our side" is on OUR side. I have no fraternal affinity for idiots who carry rifles on the street if they are not walking home from a dove shoot. Not everyone who owns and likes firearms is on "my" side, and I want nothing to do with, and certainly do not wish to be associated with such "activism". Putting their coffee-money into the coffers of the SAF would do far more good.

I'm on the side of Starbucks on this one. And I plan to get my daily cup of Starbucks (less than $2.00, BTW) later today with my concealed handgun at my side exactly the way I've done for years.

If you're not one of the "idiots on our side" you'll do likewise.



Willie


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^^^ +1. I carry concealed everyday. Ill patronize Starbucks no problem. I'm pro gun and pro business. Carry concealed and buy coffee fine. The occasional open carry in holster to buy coffee fine. But groups of armed people congregating especially with rifles slung over their shoulders is just silly. It will get your rights taken away. I'd vote yes. Starbucks sells coffee they are not a gun show organizer.

what did everyone expect. Starbucks didnt ban outright and they have been whipped by the media and others for their tolerant gun stance. They are just tired of the abuse. Pro gunners who thought that allowing guns meant they "loved" guns, was an error.

Ok, Starbucks is going to sell more coffee now.

I am in favor of OC. But I would throw this guy out:



I bet even now, if you and your buddies have been stopping by ever Thursday to drink Orange Mocha Frappuccinos and discuss the weather -- wearing holstered pistols -- you'll still be welcome. The difference is you're regular customers, not troublemakers.

I am in favor of OC. But I would throw this guy out:

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Do a search on some of NavyLCDR's recent posts. He posted earlier today that this picture is NOT what it appears to be.

If the story is correct, that's a US Navy Sailor on deployment overseas, he's required to have the gun with him, so the picture, while surprising, is completely irrelevant to this debate.

I'm on the side of Starbucks on this one. And I plan to get my daily cup of Starbucks (less than $2.00, BTW) later today with my concealed handgun at my side exactly the way I've done for years.

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But wait, that would be violating what the nice man asked us to do.

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PabloJ: Ok, Starbucks is going to sell more coffee now.

zxcvbob: I am in favor of OC. But I would throw this guy out: (photo above)

How would that guy buy or drink coffee with both hands on a brush gun?

zxcvbob: I am in favor of OC. But I would throw this guy out: (photo above)

How would that guy buy or drink coffee with both hands on a brush gun?

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Ok, I'll just quote NavyLCDR:

Maybe you should know the history behind that photo?

"That pic is of me [not me, NavyLCDR, but the guy in the photo], on an Army base in Kuwait. It was the closest Starbucks to the base the Navy had us on back in 2005. In order to leave base, you needed four things:
1) Signed permission from your Commanding Officer
2) A Cell Phone
3) At least one buddy
and lastly
4) Weapons

We could not leave base without weapons of our own, or an armed escort!

So we drove from Camp Patriot to the inland Army base for things like Starbucks and pizza! It was a little taste of home!

It became a mantra.."Grab your guns, were going to Starbucks!"

We took those pictures at the Starbucks on base where we all were carrying, to send home to friends and show them how "bad" we had it! My comment at the time was "And you think the line at your starbucks is bad!"

Some of the comments regarding your story bothered me, until I sat back and realized that people will believe what they want, regardless of the facts.....especially if they don't have them!"

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Voted no. We're up to 41%.

If the story is correct, that's a US Navy Sailor on deployment overseas, he's required to have the gun with him, so the picture, while surprising, is completely irrelevant to this debate.

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They tricked me!

Shouldn't it should be slung on his back, not carried at low ready? OTOH, the barista (baristo?) doesn't seem too concerned.

Yeah, it probably should, and probably was until he unslung it for a little posed photo for the folks back home or whatever.

It's a picture being used completely out of context for political gains.

Now it's moved to 58% in favor, 42% against.

Queen_of_Thunder said:

So if a member of your family screws up then the entire family must be punished. I'm wonderimg as a society we seem to be moving in that direction


Oh well is it the Dicks or Academy for todaus ammo run. Academy it is.

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OK, I'm confused. You quote me posting where the poll is at and then add some lines that are not entirely clear as to what you are talking about. How did my posting WHERE the poll was lead into a discussion of an entire family being punished?

Jim

zxcvbob said:

They tricked me!

Shouldn't it should be slung on his back, not carried at low ready? OTOH, the barista (baristo?) doesn't seem too concerned.

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The photo creeped the heck out of me. The explanation that it was a service member in Kuwait makes all the difference in the world. Personally, I think the photo does not need to be floating around the web. It WILL be misused, even if you watermark right across the middle stating the location.

Jim

What? A photo misused on the internet? That NEVER happens!!!!

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Willie Sutton said:

"Instead they singled out gun owners"

^^^ As well they should have.

The presence of "Idiots" (Oh... I meant "Activists") is the problem, and without them there are no counter-idiots (Oh, I meant "counter-protesters"). So asking folks to leave their shootin'-irons in the closet when coming in for a cup of joe is the right thing to say...

...with my concealed handgun at my side exactly the way I've done for years...

If you're not one of the "idiots on our side" you'll do likewise.

Willie

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Well thank you Willie for telling me that if I don't do what you say I am an idiot. Very THR.

All that aside, the activist issue is a chicken or the egg issue. Did the "we support Starbucks" gun activist show up first or did the anti gun folks start screaming about how they were going to boycott first? It does not matter, but as soon as it starts the other side jumps in and it spirals out of control.

The point of all of this is that the ONLY group being single out it the entire gun carrying group, including concealed carry people. I was perfectly happy concealed carrying in their stores every chance I got because that is how I choose to carry, not because I was worried about you calling me an idiot if I didn't. You have stated that you will go against their wishes and carry concealed in their establishment. I, on the other hand, will honor their wishes and never go in their store. In addition I will not buy their products from other retailers.

My humble opinion is that they should have simply asked everyone to go somewhere else to protest.

Jim