Who currently makes new pistol caliber carbines?

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Sucks that we can't own newly made full auto.
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More like "sucks we can't own anything with fewer than 10 parts, blah blah blah..." :mad:

Thanks Bohemus, for once again reminding us of our crappy laws here (he's always doing that in the VZ thread :D)

Has anyone mentioned the SIG MPX arriving "someday soon?" It's basically a pistol cal AR with a foregrip tube composed of unshrouded suppressor baffles that can be readily sheathed with a ~300$ kit + tax stamp to form an integrally suppressed gas-operated 9mm carbine (or pistol). With the length of the shroud being long enough to get the barrel to 16" (it's permanently attached) I imagine it will be ludicrously quiet suppressed. The proportions are kinda funny, but mainly because of how small the receiver portion is (makes the grip and barrel shroud look really huge)

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The lower one for us mere civilians ;). That SBR looks about the size of a long-slide Automag, so pretty dang compact for a stocked weapon. Looks a bit more ergonomic than the TMP/TP9, too (which has a vertical grip/magwell)

TCB
 
I have the Hi Point 995. It is fantastic. Never a failure, and will hit clay pigeons at 100 with a red dot all day long.

Ugly, heavy, a little annoying to break down, but I love the thing. Pretty sure there are other stocks out there for it, though.
 
I hate to say it but...

Hi-Point. Bought a used one in 9mm and it was so much fun I had to buy a new one in 40 cal. The 9mm is still more fun but I like them both. Both are drop dead reliable. I never believed a cheap gun could be so reliable and this much fun.
 
I really like my Kel-Tec Sub 2000, it has the grip separation issue but has never failed to function. Plus the rubber wraparound hand grip kind of makes it a non-issue. Pair it up with a pistol that takes the same magazine and it's utility goes way up.
 
"supposedly Chiappa was going to come out with an M1 Carbine in 9mm"

Well, that's cool as all hell. As much hatred as people have for Chiappa, they sure seem to be coming up with more interesting stuff than the competition (much like Kel-tec, replete with the same QC gremlins, and far crummier service, but much less plastic :D). It'd be cool if they made it compatible with a common type of subgun magazine (sell it with short mags for the M1 "look," but full lengther's could be used as well)

The 22LR version of the M1 they do seems fairly well-received, so perhaps that bodes well (though I'd be guilty of the same false comparison people so often make between their 22LR zamac 1911's and the Rhino)

^^^Holy hell! 800$ for a sub2000! :eek:

TCB
 
No one has mentioned the MechTech CCU yet. Very handy and compact and very potent in 10mm. Pretty darn accurate too.

Mike
 
For that range, you could also get a Ruger PC9 or a Marlin Camp 9. Depends on your needs whether they would serve well or not.
RT
 
Captains1911 said:
The Kel-Tec Sub 2000 meets or exceeds all your requirements.
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...If you're into disposible firearms :)

Hipoint dominates this catagory for cheap and reliable range fun. If the mag capacity is a deal breaker for you, you're going to have to budget $500+ or take a vastly more historic route to your goal :)
 
How come everyone always forgets the original pistol caliber carbine, the lever action? I would much rather have a 73 or 92 clone than all them other ones mentioned except the High Point. Just my personal preference.
 
Captains1911 said:
I don't see the connection between your ownership of a Kel-Tec handgun and your statement regarding the longevity of a Sub 2000.
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Captain1911 said:
what's your experience with the Kel-Tec? And the Hi-Point?
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But I do see the a connection to the question you actually ASKED, not the one you implied in order to bait an answer :)

I've at very least touched the arms in question and owned a couple in the brands discussed, to answer your question directly. I can tell you that keltec builds products with cool gimmicks that largely feel like toys. They work, but they're plastic and have a certain fragility about them as such. Likewise, their rifles have a lifespan dictated soley by the barrel which you won't be changing without some serious bypass surgery via the factory or gunsmith. The SU16 barrel is actually part of the reciever, for example. Draw your own conclusions. Keltec products have a shelf-life. That doesn't make them bad, but anybody going in for one should be aware of it.

<insert obligatory discussion about shooting out barrels, lifespans, etc here>

There is also the unobtanium aspect that Keltec seems to live by. You could get a sub2000, but the question is going to become if can obtain one for a reasonable price and in a timely manner. GunBroker says, "Good luck with that."


On the other half of the equation, Hipoint products are heavy and unwieldy. Under no circumstance would you want one where mobility is a concern... But they are build like tanks, will go bang every time you pull the trigger and I have first hand experience with their warranty. The product and service behind them is bulletproof once you get past the ugly and price point primadonnas.

Knowing what I do with first hand experience concerning both company and product, I would not hesitate to take a Hipoint product over a Keltec one, mission allowing.
 
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Have had a sub 2000 for about 4 years and since I cast and reload 9mm I have run 5-7000 rounds through it.

Mine has been super reliable. If I make a round that wont chamber or fire in my XD(had some oversize bullets). Load up them up in the sub 2k and they all fire.

I literally never had one malfunction with it. The worst thing its done was fail to fully extract the last round in the mag a few times.
 
I have a Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm set up for the series 92 magazines. It is partnered with my 92 pistol. It has nearly zero recoil, is quick to aquire target, and is compatable with most accessories available for other rifles. Other officers on my police force wish the department would get 1 or 2 Storms instead of the Mossberg shotguns we currently have.
 
I love my CX4...

Got it in 9mm, and off GunBroker a few years back for like $540 (magazine release was broken due to previous owner switching it from side to side). Had a 92 Brigadier Inox, so got it to accept 92 magazine.

A couple years later, I got a 9mm PX4. So, I picked up all the stuff to convert it over to PX4 magazines, and that is predominantly what I use.

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Originally was going to use it as a home defense gun, but turned into a fun gun after I got my 870 Police. If the buyer is a lefty, definitely a good gun to pick up. All controls shy of the bolt release (like a slide release on a handgun; doesn't need to be used, if you just tug the charging handle) can be swapped, and you can switch what side you want the gun to eject from.
 
Ruger makes the 77/357 and the 77/44. They are not going to be very much under your price mark of $850. Very nice. Mine shoots and feeds .38 specials just fine so far. I have not tested this to any great degree but me and a friend both loaded up a mag of round nose lead and fired them as fast as we could and all fed without issue.
 
Panzercat said:
But I do see the a connection to the question you actually ASKED, not the one you implied in order to bait an answer :)

I've at very least touched the arms in question and owned a couple in the brands discussed, to answer your question directly. I can tell you that keltec builds products with cool gimmicks that largely feel like toys. They work, but they're plastic and have a certain fragility about them as such. Likewise, their rifles have a lifespan dictated soley by the barrel which you won't be changing without some serious bypass surgery via the factory or gunsmith. The SU16 barrel is actually part of the reciever, for example. Draw your own conclusions. Keltec products have a shelf-life. That doesn't make them bad, but anybody going in for one should be aware of it.

<insert obligatory discussion about shooting out barrels, lifespans, etc here>

There is also the unobtanium aspect that Keltec seems to live by. You could get a sub2000, but the question is going to become if can obtain one for a reasonable price and in a timely manner. GunBroker says, "Good luck with that."


On the other half of the equation, Hipoint products are heavy and unwieldy. Under no circumstance would you want one where mobility is a concern... But they are build like tanks, will go bang every time you pull the trigger and I have first hand experience with their warranty. The product and service behind them is bulletproof once you get past the ugly and price point primadonnas.

Knowing what I do with first hand experience concerning both company and product, I would not hesitate to take a Hipoint product over a Keltec one, mission allowing.
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Sorry, still don't see the connection. Have you, or anybody you know, personally worn out a Sub 2000? I own a Sub2000 and a Hi-Point, and see many advantages to the Sub 2000, of course I haven't come close to "wearing out" either one.
 
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