Pistols - California Editions UGH!

The Gen4 Glock won't pass because before it was introduced, CA added the very noticeable LCI and magazine disconnect requirements to get on their "safe gun" list. I'm guessing Glock will continue to offer the Gen3 as long as CA remains in the Union, or it's listing on the list expires. Yes, they have expiration dates.

There is nothing inside a Glock preventing you from using standard or extended capacity (Happy Stick) magazines in them. Just CA's stupid laws about possessing them.

Americans, California Editions...Ugh! *













*Guess I should have said, "So-called Americans":

You can use the Single Shot Exemption (SSE) process to buy new pistols not on the California approved roster of guns. This thread explains the process in detail with a list of participating vendors - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

You can also transfer out of state off-roster pistols between immediate family members (parent to child/child to parent/etc.) using Intra-familial Handgun Transaction process. Here's the DOJ form - http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/oplaw.pdf

You can purchase used off-roster pistols previously registered in California (one example: LEO can purchase off-roster pistols, register the pistols in California and then sell the pistol).

Glad im reading this from Free America.

CA's unsafe handgun laws, which created the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, are a prime example of what happens when gun owners do not stand united and only look out for their own special interest.

When the legislation was being decided upon, several "pro-gun" groups switched from opposing it to supporting it once they were able to obtain exemptions for their groups.
Example... cowboy action shooting groups got a single-action revolver exemption to the laws and went from opposing the legislation to supporting it. They also supported the large capacity magazine ban, which got them exemptions for tubular magazines on lever-action firearms.

Now that CA Attorney General Kamala Harris has certified microstamping technology, no non-exempt handgun will be added to the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. Hence forth it is creating a defacto ban on handguns.

The Calguns Foundation (CGF) and Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) currently have a lawsuit (Peña v. Cid) in the Federal court system challenging the legality of CA's unsafe handgun laws.

Life During Wartime said:

Sorry for this being such a long read but help is appreciated

So I have been looking a lot more at pistols lately at gunstores and such and I have come across a few situations.
Here is one eample situation:

Let's say I wanted to buy a Glock 17 as aproved by the CA DOJ. Very surprisingly almost every model is on there except for Gen 4s and American mades. Due to it being Calif, I would get a 10 round mag instead of the standard 17. The problem is, is there any change to the gun that allows it to shoot only 10 round mags? So for instance let's say I moved out of state or visited my grandpa in AZ, could I use decent sized magazines or would they not work:

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I haven't seen a single design change for CA compliant that wont allow a regular capacity mag work in it.

The other big problem is Loaded Chamber Indicators. Sig has decided to send pistols with these to Ca. On Ruger's I don't mind them as they tend to follow the lines of the Sr series. But on Sigs they are butt ugly and obviously serve very little purpose (at least imo) So, let's say I wanted to buy a Sig but hate that slide. Can I buy a used regular slide and it be legal?

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It would still be legal. I suppose in theory that if there was a NG in CA after having replaced the slide with a non-Chamber indicator version that a DA would go after the "He willfully defeated the safety feature of the gun" angle.

The other thing is the ridiculous Roster itself. According to CA Law, for instance, a 1911 parkerized is a different pistol than the same model in stainless. And only some calibers of the same pistol get on the list. A famous eample is the Desert Eagle. You can only get the 44 mag version. But I have personally seen 50 Ae shells at the range and people shooting Desert Eagles. Can you change the slide and it stay the same gun? Like the SIG p250. You can only get the subcompact in 9mm. The whole platform is modular, so I can buy a full size 45 kit right?

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Or does my logic make too much sense for this state?:neener:

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Yes. The CA roaster doesn't make much sense at all.

micro stamping is now required and nobody does it
the reason each finish or grip optionreqires resertify is $$$$$$ to fund calif nastiness

Gun Control Act of 1968

Life During Wartime said:

I am also interested in the Intra Familial Form as I have a grandfather who lives in AZ. If he were for instance to buy a pistol for us, transfer it to my mom who would then transfer to me, is that legal or is that a straw purchase

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In order to comply with Federal laws, the firearm needs to be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.

The Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction form is only legal use when all the parties involved are CA residents. Using it to transfer a firearm across state lines, complies with CA state laws but violates Federal laws and documents that multiple Federal felonies have been committed.

Intra-Familial gifts are exempt from the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.
Therefore, an out-of-state intra-familial gift of a handgun not on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale can be transferred to a non-exempt person via the intra-familial exemption.
The issue with this is finding a CA FFL dealer that knows about this exemption (not all of them do) and does not charge too much to facilitate this type of transfer (under CA laws, they can legally charge any amount of money to do it).

So, in your case (grandfather to you)...
1. Find a CA FFL dealer that knows about out-of-state intra-familial gift transfers.
2. Grandfather ships firearm to that CA FFL dealer.
3. That CA FFL dealer transfers (4473/DROS/10 day wait) the firearm to you.

This doesn't really help your thread but

breakingcontact said:

Glad im reading this from Free America.

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Goodness, me too. That is insane. Theyll let you have one pistol but not another..I dont get it.

Im glad to be down in Dixie. I was at the gas station Friday and the clerk saw a flash of my pistol in the holster. I said "oh my bad, i mean to keep that covered". She told me she was glad to have legal folks in there carrying..makes her feel safer.

If only more had her attitude...many seem to around here.

FYI.
As of 01-01-2014, the Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction is no longer valid.

It has been replaced with a new form. Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction
New form also covers the reporting of long guns, which is required by CA laws starting 01-01-2014.

It is still a violation of Federal laws to use the form to transfer a firearm across state lines.

after going thru a very painful experience - all can tell you is DON'T try to buy guns from Web sites if you live in California. There is not much point looking at For Sale adds from other parts of the USA, or even Web pages of gun makers. It is just too difficult to tell what option is legit in California and what is not. My suggestion is to find a CA dealer you like and trust, then go down and take a look at the inventory they already have on their shelves, and buy from there.

A little while back I tried to buy a CZ in 9mm. We're not talking fancy here - a basic CZ-75B in 9mm. The whole "buy" was a complete fail because of CA regulations. Briefly what happened was this: I couldn't find a CA dealer with a CZ-75B, found one out-of-state, asked them to check that the CZ model was CA compliant, they did, I bought the gun and they shipped it, it got to the local dealer in CA, the CA dealer said "No way" this gun is not CA compliant, I said "why not, there's plenty of legal CZ-75's on the CA list?", they said "we dunno, but this gun serial number does not check, can't accept this dude", and the purchase failed at that point. Who's fault? Mine. Why ... because nobody in the system will cover all the costs - except the potential buyer. So my attempt to buy a CZ-75B failed and cost me $200. The best I can figure out is that the gun was not CA-compliant because it had the improved trigger (omega trigger) and night sights. And so since the beanie-weenies in Sacremento have not drop-tested that specific version of a CZ-75B, it must therefore be a complete danger to the public.

Be aware that CA rules and regulations make NO SENSE whatsoever. It is all about money-making within CA, and completely irrelevant to proper gun handling or safety. Hence ... my suggestion to buy from the shelf from a good local dealer.

CA R

Calguns Foundation made an info graph showing the effects of CA's unsafe handgun laws...

Quiet

Can you resize that pic down to something small than a billboard?

Here's a link for that chart. http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cgf_roster-info-1.png

It is odd here in CA.....if a pistol is not on the roster it is "unsafe". Now, a cop can buy (and carry) this pistol. So, according to CA law it is OK for a cop to buy an unsafe pistol but not anybody else.

Makes no sense at all. None.