OrangePwrx9
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Yeah, don't expect much from Remington if it's cheap these days. Big Green learned a lot from the old 788. Won't make that mistake again. Durn things outshot the M700s.
The Ruger American desparately needs improvements
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Is that the last round, or do all rounds do that?
As I posted in the thread I started about the same problem in my .223 RAR - I had that issue with the last round only.
This was with both the original mag and another Ruger sent me.
I also posted later that after the mags sat loaded for a few weeks the problem disappeared!
My thought- the cheap plastic mag lips relaxed a little over time and pressure to allow proper feeding. Wonder how long they can sit before the rounds pop out on their own
So- I have a .223 and a .308 RAR and am now very happy with both, they shoot sub MOA. Never had any issues with the .308
meanmrmustard
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Agree with this 100%
sappyg
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I'm not sure. I think it may have been. It made it through one mag fine and then the FTF in the next mag.
Took some pics this time. Threw it back in the box with the round still in the receiver and drove it back to the LGS before they closed.
sayak
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IF you leave your mags full of ammunition for extended periods of time.My thought- the cheap plastic mag lips relaxed a little over time and pressure to allow proper feeding. Wonder how long they can sit before the rounds pop out on their own
So- I have a .223 and a .308 RAR and am now very happy with both, they shoot sub MOA. Never had any issues with the .308
We all tend to want others to agree with our opinions. I happen to have had great luck with my Marlin XS-7 stainless in .243 and my XS-7 heavy barrel in .22-250. Reviews of this rifle have been all over the place. I'll probably buy a RAR in .223 but not until next year. By then,hopefully, all the problems will be worked out.
JR47
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Ever wonder why people just seem to be magnets for problems? When this thread was in it's infancy, I went to THREE LGS. ALL of them handle the Ruger American line. NONE of them have had issues with the guns sold. Looked at probably twenty assorted American center-fire rifles during the trip. NONE of them had "warped stocks". NONE of them had a machined parting line running from the extractor cut-out to the firing pin hole, either. TWO had magazines that seemed odd, but they didn't break when smacked against the top of the counter.
Over the years, I've had far more issues with Tikka, Remington 700, and Winchester Model 70 rifles than I have with anything Ruger built. I own a Model 77 in .30-06, and a Model 77 Mk. II in 7 mm Rem. Magnum. Both have been issue free. They usually are used to shoot 200-300 yard targets. Now, I can't AFFORD to put "thousands of rounds downrange per year" since I retired.
Actually, I would think that anyone capable of buying that much quality ammunition should never even consider anything but a custom rifle. Trying to tell a manufacturer of price-point weapons how they should "improve" them seems pretty futile.
Over the years, I've had far more issues with Tikka, Remington 700, and Winchester Model 70 rifles than I have with anything Ruger built. I own a Model 77 in .30-06, and a Model 77 Mk. II in 7 mm Rem. Magnum. Both have been issue free. They usually are used to shoot 200-300 yard targets. Now, I can't AFFORD to put "thousands of rounds downrange per year" since I retired.
Actually, I would think that anyone capable of buying that much quality ammunition should never even consider anything but a custom rifle. Trying to tell a manufacturer of price-point weapons how they should "improve" them seems pretty futile.
gamestalker
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Someone mentioned the Rem. 770. I bought one of the first, then called a model 710 chambered in 7 mag.. That rifle consistently shot one ragged hole, group after group. It didn't seem to care what load I developed for it either, it always shot super tight groups.
But I've been a pretty big fan of Ruger, I've had M77's that shot very well, but I've also had my hands on a good number that wouldn't shoot anything better than 1". As for their wheel guns, it's hard for me to express much negative regarding those. I have a couple older 44 mags, a SRH and SBH that have had thousands of full tilt jacketed loads put through them, they still shoot as great as when new.
And I know, if there wasn't a market for budget firearms, manufacturer's simply wouldn't build them. But the truth be told, most who shop for a firearm will pick the inexpensive production rifle, over a refined and time tested product. The manufacturer knows what market they are targeting, which is to say those who will likely never shoot in excess of 500 rounds in a life time, which is why I don't usually spend my money on bargain priced production long guns.
GS
But I've been a pretty big fan of Ruger, I've had M77's that shot very well, but I've also had my hands on a good number that wouldn't shoot anything better than 1". As for their wheel guns, it's hard for me to express much negative regarding those. I have a couple older 44 mags, a SRH and SBH that have had thousands of full tilt jacketed loads put through them, they still shoot as great as when new.
And I know, if there wasn't a market for budget firearms, manufacturer's simply wouldn't build them. But the truth be told, most who shop for a firearm will pick the inexpensive production rifle, over a refined and time tested product. The manufacturer knows what market they are targeting, which is to say those who will likely never shoot in excess of 500 rounds in a life time, which is why I don't usually spend my money on bargain priced production long guns.
GS
Just thought I'd kick in my .02 cents. I bought a RAR .308 a couple years back. It consumes
all types of off the shelf bargain ammo with nary a complaint, including the blue plastic
German made short range training type el-cheapos. I find it to be quite accurate even
with the $30.00 scope I've had laying around for years.
I liked it enough to recently pick up a new RAR in .22 LR. Shoots well with no feed issues whatsoever. JC
all types of off the shelf bargain ammo with nary a complaint, including the blue plastic
German made short range training type el-cheapos. I find it to be quite accurate even
with the $30.00 scope I've had laying around for years.
I liked it enough to recently pick up a new RAR in .22 LR. Shoots well with no feed issues whatsoever. JC
gamestalker
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I have loaded for and handled at least 4 Americans over the last year alone, and every single one has a badly warped stock. Something is obviously wrong with the injection mold process, cause even the one's I see new on the shelf all have the issue.
And as for magazines, well those are a real joke for a hunting rifle, they are constantly breaking. My nephew's best friend works for them, so I know a bit more about the problems consumers are having with them. No one wants to deal with a broken mag. while out int he field hunting, which just happens to be where most mishaps occur.
Accuracy, well all of the one's I'm loading for, which is a 22-250, two .243 win, and a .270 win and all three group very nicely once the warped stock is corrected.
They actually aren't a bad rifle for the money.
Savage Axis and 700 ADL aren't bad either, but they too have a few manufacturing issues, as do most all budget rifles these days.
GS
And as for magazines, well those are a real joke for a hunting rifle, they are constantly breaking. My nephew's best friend works for them, so I know a bit more about the problems consumers are having with them. No one wants to deal with a broken mag. while out int he field hunting, which just happens to be where most mishaps occur.
Accuracy, well all of the one's I'm loading for, which is a 22-250, two .243 win, and a .270 win and all three group very nicely once the warped stock is corrected.
They actually aren't a bad rifle for the money.
Savage Axis and 700 ADL aren't bad either, but they too have a few manufacturing issues, as do most all budget rifles these days.
GS
As others noted, even in our Walmart-powered country, its' reasonable to expect that you get what you pay for. Rarely more and often less.
Something as tactile as a wooden long rifle with the subtlety of lubricated interacting, sliding and both man and machine operating systems is not something that can be done trivially while still satisfying the complex set of nerves and muscles that interface to the device in question.
That is, when if feels crappy, it perceived as crappy even when you knock off a number of reasonably accurate shots. For some people, just making the shot is everything and these types of guns are for them. But there aren't that many people past the age of 25 who are so simply satisfied and that is where these guns come up below par. Moreover, they tend to be the first gun for the people who are taking the next step in their gun buying taste changes and they run the risk of bouncing off of them and waiting for a bit more cash for a remington 700, a tikka lite or some such.
My friends consider me a gun snob (which I may be) when, in the gun shop, they place a low-end Savage in .308 in my hands and after holding and manipulating it for a few minutes, I quietly place it back in the rack with no other questions.
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Something as tactile as a wooden long rifle with the subtlety of lubricated interacting, sliding and both man and machine operating systems is not something that can be done trivially while still satisfying the complex set of nerves and muscles that interface to the device in question.
That is, when if feels crappy, it perceived as crappy even when you knock off a number of reasonably accurate shots. For some people, just making the shot is everything and these types of guns are for them. But there aren't that many people past the age of 25 who are so simply satisfied and that is where these guns come up below par. Moreover, they tend to be the first gun for the people who are taking the next step in their gun buying taste changes and they run the risk of bouncing off of them and waiting for a bit more cash for a remington 700, a tikka lite or some such.
My friends consider me a gun snob (which I may be) when, in the gun shop, they place a low-end Savage in .308 in my hands and after holding and manipulating it for a few minutes, I quietly place it back in the rack with no other questions.
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