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TexasRaider

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Hey all, a few questions if I may.
I'm going to get into reloading for the first time, and from the research I've done it looks like what I want is a progressive press. When I shoot, I usually go through 300 to 500 rounds a day, so I need something not too slow. This is mainly for competition or action shooting in pistol only, mainly 9mm, 45ACP and 10mm, with a bit of 357 Mag or 41 Mag for hunting thrown in here and there.

Can I ask what your opinions are on these issues?
Hornady Lock N' Load - worth the price? Complaints? Issues or idiosyncrasies?
Powder -what meters better in a progressive? I've heard stuff like 800X is too flaky and causes variances in velocities.
Temperature - Set up may have to be in the garage, and Texas has hot summers, cold winters and rainy springs in my area at times. How much will this be of an effect?
Primers - Any brand considerably better than another, reliabilty wise, for making large amounts of 9mm?
Best loading manuals?

A lot to ask, and I'm sure I'll have follow ups, but I really appreciate your help. Next year I'm hoping to do a 10mm AR build for hunting, meaning high power and very accurate. I'd like to use the progressive press experience to work up to loading that AR later with slower, more deliberate loading.

Thanks again!
 
I like Dillon's presses. For powder you will want a flake or ball powder. A garage is not a good place for a reloading set-up. I know, if its what you have it is what it is! Store your components inside and keep your tooling oiled. Most any primer will work fine .My favorites are CCI. Lyman is my favorite manual. If loading pistol, pay the extra for carbide dies. Good Luck!
 
First off:Are you new to the whole reloading process? If you have never done ANY handloading I personally wouldn't start with a progressive press. There are too many things to go terribly wrong. I know when I first started I made a lot of mistakes which I caught right away,Badly seated primers, squibs inconsistent powder throws double loads, etc. Faster is not always better. Once you get proficient than go for speed. I have a Lee turret press that I like a lot and I can keep a eye out for mistakes and correct them. Believe me it's easy to screw up.
Just my opinion, Howie
 
For presses it really just depends on how much money you want to spend. The Lock N' Load is a good press, but the Dillon presses are great too. I personally use a Lee turret press, combined with a Hornady case activated linkage, which drops my RCBS Uniflow powder measure.
 
I have reloaded in a garage for decades. I keep the primers and powder in the house and keep a light film of oil on the bare steel parts and the dies. The worst metering powders I have tries are the ones with long tubular grains (4198 for example).

I have tried Tula, Winchester, and Federal primers and I honestly can't tell any difference.

I load on a turret press and can't comment on the progressive's.
 
I could second the suggestion for a Lee Classic Turret, I use one myself and love it. You can load about 200 high quality rounds per hour, which is plenty for my needs. It can also be used as a single stage, easy to learn on. BUT, if you're shooting large volumes of ammo for competition, you may want a higher volume press. Shooting 4-500 rounds per day would be 2 or 3 hours of work on a LCT. I think I do see a progressive in your future. I've heard a lot of good things about the LNL too, but never used one, so can't make a judgment.
That said, you would be wise to first learn how to load 1 round at a time before diving head first into a progressive, unless you're very mechanically inclined. I suppose there must be some way to load 1 round at a time on a progressive, but I'm not sure of that either.

In my opinion, the Lyman 49th is about the best with good articles and a decent variety of data. ABCs of Reloading is also very valuable for it's articles. I also use Lee Reloading manual. The data in it though is just reprint of other data sources, mostly from the powder manufactures. Speaking of the manufacturers, that is usually my 1st stop for new data..

My favorite primers for 9mm and .45 are CCI and Remington. I use both.

I've never used 800X. I use W231/HP38 for 9mm and Unique for .45
 
I like Dillon. Suggest the 550 with manual index. This lets you load one round at a time and back up if necessary until you get the hang of it. Ball powder meters the best but there are others that will work.
 
Deadeye Dick gives good advice on starting with a single stage press to learn on. If your heart is set on a progressive get the Dillon 550. Once you get the hang of it It's almost as fast as a automated 650. Don't try to turn out 500 hundred rounds a hour, but turn out quality safe accurate loads.
 
I have a Lee turret and a Lock and Load AP.
I suppose you could start out on the Progressive but it has a steeper learning curve.
I would lean toward a Lee Turret for your first press. Good volume, inexpensive, easy to learn on. It can be used like a single stage. Caliber conversions are going to be much cheaper than the progressive. I like to buy spare turrets so I don't have to remove my dies when changing. calibers.

I would say I can do 200 rounds an hour on it, so not as fast as a progressive, but much faster than a single stage.

Lots of threads here about the Lee turret.
I think it is an great press for the money.
(However most people don't seem to care for the Lee scale at all)
 
Thanks for asking our advice

TexasRaider,

With what you said in your post, I am going to conclude that for your lower-quantity calibers you will not need a progressive press with the complexity that attaches to progressives. So, a decently high-output Turret press is something you will use and keep even after getting a progressive or two. There is only one that fills that bill (in my opinion), the Lee Classic Turret (do not confuse with the Lee Classic Cast, which is a single stage press, nor the Deluxe Turret Press, which is an older Lee turret design.)

Also, a Turret press (of any brand) is an excellent press to learn with, since it can be operated as a single stage in batch mode, and as a turret press in continuous mode (like a progressive, but only one operation at a time). After you decide that you want more output, you can get a progressive press and caliber swap kits. (or multiple progressive presses if you can afford it.

Note especially that caliber swaps with the Lee Turret are MUCH quicker and easier and less expensive than with progressives.

There are a lot of things to consider when selecting a progressive press, so I recommend you give yourself time to sort those things out AFTER you have developed a personal loading style.

Powder and primer choices? All are good, but some will fit your needs better than others. Each caliber (and use for each caliber) will have different best choices. I recommend learning the mechanics of loading (the metalworking part) with Trail Boss powder and just about any primers and staying with mid-range loads. Once you have learned the operation and adjustment parts, then get into the selection of components and load tuning.

Temperature? I load inside the house where my concentration is not disturbed by uncomfortable conditions. I have my press mounted to a 2x6 board clamped into a folding workbench. I spread a dropcloth, set up and do my loading. When done, everything packs up into three medium-small toolboxes. If ou want a permanent setup (which many do), you will have to put up with the climate wherever. If you store your components in constant-temperature low humidity storage, they will be fine. You may have to take extra care with the rust potential of your press and any other gear left out there, but that is not difficult. Keep a breathable cover over he gear to keep dust controlled.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep
 
10 Advices for the Novice Loader

10 Advices for the novice loader

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universally mentioned, so I put together this list of 10 advices.


Much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".


So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 500 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.


When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. My setup was simple. A set of dies, a press, a 2" x 6" plank, some carriage bolts and wing nuts, a scale, two loading blocks. I just mounted the press on the plank wedged into the drawer of an end table. I did not use a loading bench at all.


It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly.


I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.


Now, here are my Ten Advices.


Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.


Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of (or any) money on equipment.


Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others. The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging.


I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Containing no loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.


There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started, but some are better than others. Filter all casual information through a "B.S." filter.


Only after you know the processing steps of loading can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack. If building your own kit from scratch, you will be better able to find the parts that will serve your into the future without having to do trade-ins.


Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?


Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Generally you get what you pay for and better equipment costs more. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon-blue, Lee-red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.


About brand loyalties, an example: Lee Precision makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker (though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes, as Lee has been an innovator both in price leadership which has introduced many to loading who might not otherwise have been able to start the hobby and in introduction of innovative features like their auto-advancing turret presses). But there are detractors who focus on Lee's cheapest offerings to paint even their extremely strong gear as inferior. My advice: Ignore the snobs.


On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.


On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.


Advice #3 While Learning, you may think about options. Progressive, turret or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes? Don't get fancy.


While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a voluminous, "fluffy", powder that is, one that is easy to see that you have charged the case and which will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.


While learning, only perform one operation at a time. Whether you do the one operation 50 (or 20) times on a batch of cases before moving on to the next operation - "Batch Processing" or take one case through all the sequence of operations between empty case to finished cartridge - "Continuous Processing", sometimes known as "Sequential Processing", learn by performing only one operation at a time and concentrating on THAT OPERATION. On a single stage press or a turret press, this is the native way of operation. On a progressive press, the native operation is to perform multiple operations simultaneously. Don't do it. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.


Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.


On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.


Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.


Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.


Advice #4 Find a mentor.


There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technique BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")


I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.


After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.


Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, easse, cleanliness


Your loading bench/room is tantamount to a factory floor. There is a whole profession devoted to industrial engineering, the art and science of production design. Your loading system (layout, process steps, quality control, safety measures, etc) deserves no less attention than that.

For example, consider the word "workflow". Place your components' supplies convenient to the hand that will place them into the operation and the receptacle(s) for interim or finished products, too. You can make a significant increase in safety and in speed, too, with well thought out design of your production layout, "A" to "Z", from the lighting to the dropcloth to the fire suppression scheme.

One factor often neglected is where the scale is located. Place your scale where it is protected from drafts and vibration and is easy to read and operate, eye level, in good light, etc.


Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology


Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Ballistic testing has produced some new knowledge over the years and powder chemistry has changed over the years, too. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.


Read previous threads on reloading and watch videos available on the web. But be cautious. There is both good information and bad information found in casual sources, so see my advice #10.


Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)


When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying for features you don't need. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long."


Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride) rather than tool steel.

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.


Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.


Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present or future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?


Advice #10 Take all with a grain of salt.

Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and can easily hit "7" instead of "4" because they are next to each other on the keypad.


Good luck.


Lost Sheep
 
Your use is high enough to justify a AP. But starting out on a SS is plus till you learn the ropes.

I've had the LNL-AP since 2008, it's a good press. The Dillon guys will push Dillon no mater what. Even with serious design flaw in the primer system (see sticky at top and google Dillon primer detonation). Dillon has know about this flow since the late 60's if not before. That said the primer system is the weak link in any press, not just progressives. I have the brass feeder on mine and you can do 500-600/hr if you want too. I never do, retired and just take my time and still get 400+. The LNL will allow you to run as a SS press, 1 die , 1 case. So you can start off slow and work up.

As with any thing mechanical, the setup must be done right for every thing to run smooth.

As far as powders all Ball Powders will meter better than flake or extruded. So stick with ball powders. Which can be hard to find these days. Stay away from the high density powders that do not fill the case, very small charges with narrow load range.
 
Press - While I have 5 progressive and 2 turret presses, I prefer to load most of my rifle cartridges on the single stage press. As others posted, starting off with an "O" type single stage is a good idea and when you get the progressive, you will have an extra press to do load development work/QC checks etc.

Powder - Small granule powders meter better than larger flake powders. Bullseye/Power Pistol/BE-86 are small granule powders and meter as well if not better than flattened ball powders like W231/HP-38/WSF/CFE Pistol/AutoComp. Other small granule powders like Titegroup/WST/Universal also meter well. With all of these powders, I get about .1 gr variance from different powder measures (C-H/Dillon/Lee PPM/Auto Disk).

Temperature - Hot and cold temperatures will affect your comfort levels to the point where you may start to make reloading mistakes. As others suggested, reload in an environment that is comfortable for you. I reload on a 2'x3' portable castered bench that allows me to reload anywhere in the house or even out in the back patio in comfort sitting down. If you must reload in the garage, many insulate and ventilate the garage so it is more hospitable.

Primers - I have used CCI/Fiocchi/MagTech/PMC/Tula/Winchester/Wolf primers and found that non-domestic primers like Fiocchi/PMC/Tula/Wolf manufactured with metric measurements have slightly larger cups and takes more effort to feed and seat in progressive presses, especially if you are using once-fired brass with tighter primer pockets. Exception has been MagTech which feeds better than CCI/Winchester primers for me.

Reloading manual - Lyman #49 is a good reference to have for introduction to reloading at the beginning of the manual. It also has a lot of lead loads that current load data from powder manufacturers don't list.
 
Having used single stage, turret and progressive presses, down through the ages, just starting out with a single stage is a good idea.
It will always come in handy.
Moving up to a manual turret, Lee Classic "progressive" turret, or a Dillon 550 semi-progressive would be a conservative way to go, after that.
But not before your reloading skill is perfected.
If or when you really need to load more ammo faster, and have confidence in doing so, and want to spend the money, then getting a full progressive, with easily changed calibers would be the final step.
With all the calibers you mentioned, being able to easily change the press over from one to another is real important.

If one's act is together, the amount of ammo that can be expected to load in an hour would be:
Single stage -50 rds/hour
Manual turret - 100 rds/hour
Lee Classic Turret or Dillon 550 - 200 to 300 rds/hour.
Full Progressive - up to 500 rds/hour.
All results subject to accessories, like case, primer and bullet feeders, which can really speed things up.
And of, course, get real expensive.
Hope this helps some and doesn't add to the confusion.
P.S.
For handgun only reloading, I really like my little weird Dillon Square Deal full progressive.
 
Lost sheep, that is an excellent write up! Great advice, and worth a read even for experienced reloaders.

I hate to be that guy to say get a single stage, but it will make you a much better reloader IMO, and you will know exactly what you need when you DO buy a progressive.

As for how many you can load in an hour, I hate to say it but with a single stage that is not how I do things AT ALL.

I always try to dedicate some time to one process, and keep batches in stages. When I have free time (once I stopped watching the TV I realized how much time I really had..)
I resize cases, about a coffee can of them.
When I have more time, I will prime them all, expand, etc.
Then when I'm ready I have several full coffee cans of primed and expanded cases so I can load several hundreds in one hour to a few thousands in a day, with exacting precision and direct supervision of every step and operation. (organization is key here)
I've been reloading for about 2-3 years now and I shoot/cast a LOT.
I've had the progressive itch, and I'd be lying if I said I still don't want to go blue with a 550.
But it's a hell of a lot more complicated, with a hell of a lot more parts to break, and when you're going for speed you have to realize you're resizing/depriming/expanding/priming/charging/seating/crimping in one motion. Sounds great, but can you supervise all of those steps at once? Not to mention you've got to watch your powder drop and primer tube.

My advice is: for your first reloading experience you need to be CONFIDENT in your own reloads and SKILLS, so you aren't second guessing if this one or the next one is going to cost you fingers, a gun, or an eye.

With reloading, like with shooting, FIRST comes precision and accuracy. THEN comes speed.
 
Great read. I have been accumulating equipment for years and finally have a dedicated bench set up with presses mounted. Have not actually started loading yet. Still reading the books to know where I am going with this. Have an experienced friend to talk to. Have a cheap Lee press set up for de priming. A better single stage Lee and a 3 hole Lee Turret for actual re loading. Think I have pretty much all the gear I need except for a powder truckler. I am looking forward to getting into it.
 
Lost sheep, that is an excellent write up! Great advice, and worth a read even for experienced reloaders.
Thanks.
I've had the progressive itch, and I'd be lying if I said I still don't want to go blue with a 550.
But it's a hell of a lot more complicated, with a hell of a lot more parts to break, and when you're going for speed you have to realize you're resizing/depriming/expanding/priming/charging/seating/crimping in one motion. Sounds great, but can you supervise all of those steps at once? Not to mention you've got to watch your powder drop and primer tube.
You said it. I started with a single stage. Wanted more production, so got a couple of progressives. Drove me crazier than a long-tailed cat in a rocking chair factory, trying to monitor multiple simultaneous operations. I had to stop at the end of every stroke and check the primer feed, powder hopper, bullet placement, etc. By the end of a loading session I was a nervous wreck.

I use a Lee Classic Turret now. At the end of a loading session, I have an almost zen-like calm. And my production rate (compared to my progressives) has not suffered.

You and I are much alike in that regard.
I always try to dedicate some time to one process, and keep batches in stages. When I have free time (once I stopped watching the TV I realized how much time I really had..)
I resize cases, about a coffee can of them.
When I have more time, I will prime them all, expand, etc.
Then when I'm ready I have several full coffee cans of primed and expanded cases so I can load several hundreds in one hour to a few thousands in a day, with exacting precision and direct supervision of every step and operation. (organization is key here)
We are at opposite ends of the spectrum with the batch processes. (Though I shall, after reading your testimonial give your philosophy a thorough thinking-through.) When I start a piece of brass (or batch of brass) into the process, I don't like to stop until I have shootable finished product.

Lost Sheep
 
Drove me crazier than a long-tailed cat in a rocking chair factory, trying to monitor multiple simultaneous operations.

Lost Sheep

LOL

I hear ya.

Regarding working in large batches, it isn't particularly rewarding at the end of each session and it can be monotonous.

Definitely has it's perks though!
For example: I don't have to set up my powder charge, weigh out charges AND perform all the other press operations every time I reload (usually what takes me the most time, for safety reasons). Especially considering selecting correct powder, calibrating scale, checking powder drop for accuracy and consistency, and case checking for powder are your most critical steps AFTER the monotonous brain drain. ESPECIALLY if you're loading multiple calibers at a time.

This means I can squeeze more reloading time (45 mins or less at a time) every few days and I don't have to be on my toes when I'm not priming or charging cases. I used to dedicate several hours to reloading at a time, but it made me feel exhausted and I grew to resent the extra work I had to do with a single stage. Now I enjoy the time I spend at the press, and watch the piles grow steadily.

When I say I'm doing powder and seating, that's all I'm doing and it gets my full attention. When I'm dead tired and want to veg out on the TV, I work out, or resize/expand cases.

Fun and meticulous stuff is reserved for when I'm in the mood for it.

I used to think, man all this work and I have nothing to show for it. Then I realized, are you kidding, look at those two coffee cans PACKED with ready to load brass. :D

Man, just wait until you get into casting boolits. :evil:
Don't even fuss with ladle pour, or two cavs.
Go for the 6 bangers and a 20lb lee bottom pour.
 
Potatohead when did you learn how to read? :neener:


You said it. I started with a single stage. Wanted more production, so got a couple of progressives. Drove me crazier than a long-tailed cat in a rocking chair factory, trying to monitor multiple simultaneous operations. I had to stop at the end of every stroke and check the primer feed, powder hopper, bullet placement, etc. By the end of a loading session I was a nervous wreck.

I use a Lee Classic Turret now. At the end of a loading session, I have an almost zen-like calm. And my production rate (compared to my progressives) has not suffered.

I do find using my Lee turrent is relaxing while using the progressive is more like work and requires a "higher" level of concentration. I would say in the progressives defense I am still getting used to it while the Lee turret is an old friend.
For me right now at least the turret is relaxing the progressive is more like work and right now I am not much faster on the progressive. (not saying I don't like it just a big difference using it IMO)
(note I am not hung up on speed, but speed is one reason I bought the progressive)
 
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Just my opinion, but I would spend a few bucks on an inexpensive single stage first. You can get into a decent one that serve well for handgun for very little. It's an excellent way to safely learn the process, as it reduces the possibility of a serious mishap slipping by unnoticed.

I may be able to help you out with this option. PM me if you would like to hear what I have to offer.

GS
 
30 years ago I reloaded A lot of handgun and shotshells. I was shooting Sporting Clays tournies up and down the East Coast.
I used A lee classic turret then and A lee loadall for shotgun.
They did just well for me then,
When I decided last year to start handloading again, I went straight for the Lee Classic Turret.

As most have said, Learning is A giant phase of loading.

I know lots of people talk about speed and loads per hour. Thats great if they are setup properly, and very confident in their ability.
Myself I sit at the bench and relax while loading 100 to 150 rounds. For me that works. Sometimes I'll just head up and load 50 rds.

After this long winded post. I would suggest A LCT to start with. You can always sell it and move to A progressive if you want down the road.

Whtever you decide, Start slow, ask questions, learn and enjoy.
 
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