Russia replaces the makarov.

Link?

Didn't they switch to the GSh-18 9mm Parabellum years ago?

Sure Putin will nix any export to the US.
Plenty of other clients will be glad th o get them, however.

What? Say it is not so.

The Mak was replaced in Russian military service a few years back ...

HOOfan_1 said:

Didn't they switch to the GSh-18 9mm Parabellum years ago?

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Yep - Gsh-18 is standard issue as of 2003.

Not sure what/if there was something in between, as the Makarov is listed as being standard issue from 1951 to 1991.

Like everything in Russia, a handgun switch doesn't occur overnight.
They "Standardized" the AN-94 assault rifle in 1996....

And now it's the AK12. I thought they were supposed to be going to the Strike One?

TCB

Just looked up the Gsh-18, pretty neat.

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Looks like the Russians have a Gyurza or some such 9x21mm round that is designed to penetrate body armor from a handgun. Info is hard to come by about that round.

"...Sure Putin will nix any export to the US..." I think that was done long before Comrade Putin took over. U.S./Russian import/export agreement under Slick Willy. I think.
Putin would be ecstatic to be able to sell anything Stateside. He needs and wants hard currency to fund his military adventures.

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Bet it's better than that Beretta 92FS. Multiple locking lugs, ugly, but it has only 17 parts.

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Yeah - it's particularly unattractive looking at the muzzle end, but sometimes there's beauty in simplicity. The Glock I already consider to be a darned simple design, and the Gsh-18 has HALF the parts count of a Glock.

We probably can't get an export of the real thing, but I'd like to see a clone imported from someone. I'd probably get one just as a curiosity.

Few years back, Larry Vickers, on one of his shows, went to Russia, highlighted the factory where this pistol is made, schmoozed with the owner/designer, and shot a few mags through the piece. Looked like a pretty conventional polymer pistol, a little on the large side.

I'm pretty sure that we aren't going to be seeing any Russian Makarov's hitting American shores due to the arms sanctions imposed on Russia due to Ukraine in March of last year.

TTAG : Obama's Executive Order of Russian firearms, ammo and parts (*Click for link*)

Treasury : Issuance of a new Ukraine-related Executive Order; Ukraine-related Designations - March 2014 (*Click for link*)

This administration blocked the re-importation of hundreds of thousands of US made M1 Carbines and Garands given to South Korea (before caving on the Garand's) and they're an ally.

Obama Administration continues importation ban on 600,000 M1 Carbines - Agrees to allow importation of 86k M1 Garand's which reverses earlier decision (*Click for link*)

Korea Times : [Exclusive] US allows import of 86,000 M1 rifles from Korea (*Click for link*)

Nobody does simple better than the Russians

Nobody does simple better than the Russians

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Except when it comes to their terrible cars.

Always had a love for russian weapons. That gsh18 and the 9x21mm pistol.......look good. Sure would like to yet ahold of those.....plus more modern russian maks......wow....... would be a nice addition to my collection. One can wish and that's about all ill get to do it seems......

Fishbed77 said:

Except when it comes to their terrible cars.

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WHAT!!??
The Lada is a remarkable vehicle!
Far better than the Yugo and on par with the old and excellent Chevy Chevette!

Hmm, 17 parts. Definitely less to break with a count like that. Love to have one just for grins.

Nobody does simple better than the Russians

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Exactly. In the earlier days of manned space flight, NASA spent the equivalent of millions in today's dollars developing a pen that would write in zero-gravity conditions, so astronauts could record notes related to their orbital experiments.

The Russian cosmonauts used pencils.

MedWheeler said:

Exactly. In the earlier days of manned space flight, NASA spent the equivalent of millions in today's dollars developing a pen that would write in zero-gravity conditions, so astronauts could record notes related to their orbital experiments.

The Russian cosmonauts used pencils.

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That's more or less a myth, MedWheeler:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/

These are the parts that make up the handgun.

Exactly. In the earlier days of manned space flight, NASA spent the equivalent of millions in today's dollars developing a pen that would write in zero-gravity conditions, so astronauts could record notes related to their orbital experiments.

The Russian cosmonauts used pencils.

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Complete myth.

NASA astronauts used inexpensive fiber-tipped Pentel Sign Pens beginning with the Gemini missions.


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