I just can't decide on what rifle I want to re-enter the game with

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About a year ago, I sold pretty much all of my hunting, fishing, and shooting gear along with all guns that didn't have nostalgic value in order to fund a cross country move.

I'm finally working again and I'll shortly be able to get back in the game, so to speak.

The "trouble" is, there are so many guns I want I'm having trouble on deciding what my one gun purchase of the year should be.

I do know I want a rifle or carbine of some kind and that almost all of my shooting will be at the range. I'm interested in something that's a lot of fun to shoot, but could suffice as a deer rifle for the tiny blacktail that are in in the region on the off chance I have an opportunity to hunt.

I know I really like lever guns and was heavy into them in the past, but I also appreciate a well made bolt action. I know I'm absolutely not interested in owning the kind of neutered AR that is legal here in California.
 
marlin 336

passable for hunting and home defense, just operating the lever is fun for me. get a cheap savage .22 to plink with.
 
Savage 99 in 308

They are not very hard to find. Well balanced and easy on the eye.
 
Get a nice 30-30 or handgun cartridge lever action. I take my lever action about more than anything else. If you want to use pointy bullets, you could get the browning BLR in a take down model. I'd also suggest getting a 22 LR lever action as well. That way you can also shoot inexpensively.
 
For range fun and possible small deer, with underlying budget consideration, I would opt for a used bolt action rifle in .223 or .308, depending on your taste with regards to recoil. The first is cheaper to shoot, the second is more potent for hunting purposes, both can be bought in bulk for range practice. With a little luck, you might find something absolutely decent with a good older scope already on it.

I am a fan of Browning rifles, but perhaps a look at Savage will be friendlier on a budget. The previous suggestion for a .22 for plinking is just plain good advice if you can afford two rifles. Cheap and fun to shoot, but not advisable for deer hunting.

If it was for myself, the return in the guns game would go as follows: first, a twelve gauge pump action combo, for versatility; second, a .22 LR in bolt action, for fun & practice; third, a .308 in bolt action, for serious fun & hunting purposes; fourth, a .223 in bolt action to replace the .308 when its power is not required, for example when shooting paper at 100 yards on a day without wind.

And that list definitely gets a lot longer when these bases are covered, because I also happen to like lever action rifles and semis, other calibers and gauges, but, you get the idea, I guess.

If you want to go new, I believe some readily scoped budget oriented bolt action rifles offered by Savage or Ruger in .223 are nice options for a starting point, able to shoot paper as well as small deer with the right ammunition for not too much. Check your local laws, up here, .243 is the legal minimal requirement for deer hunting, but I know it is not the same everywhere.

Welcome back to the game!
 
I'd likely pick a rifle I always wanted in the past but never owned. For me, that would be some sort of pistol caliber lever gun. Find ammo it feeds well and it would make a better home defense gun than a bolt gun. Short range plinking or hunting would be good too.

The reason I personally wouldn't pick a short home defense shotgun is most ranges by me won't let you shoot shot out of it. That leaves slugs, or trying your hand at skeet shooting I suppose, for range work.
 
If lever guns are your thing then go for it. Marlin still makes a nice lever gun despite their recent troubles. But I might look elsewhere because of the problems with customer service. You can go with a Henry which has great CS but IMO they just aren't the most accurate guns on the rack.

Personally I like bolt action guns because that's where the accuracy is. If I liked plinking with a lever gun I'd buy a Henry Golden Boy and then buy a really good rifle to hunt with. You never mentioned a budget or anything about glass or what all you would be doing besides shooting small black tail deer. More information would help. Personally I live Savage and CZ for great values depending on what you want and what you are looking to do in the future. For a light weight hunting rifle I'd probably go with a CZ 557 or maybe a Tikka T3. For more serious target work I'd get into the Savage chain and work my way up the ladder if that's what it took. Personally I just jumped in a bought one of their best rifles right off the bat to avoid the hassles of building a platform. All that testing of ammo every time you make a change can really add up. It's fun but expensive.

So again your budget and your intentions would be important.

You can buy a rifle in the Savage line for $440 then work your way up with modifications. You don't even need a scope for that particular rifle since it actually has iron sights (rare these days). It's a great place to start and upgrading a Savage is a lot like upgradging a 10/22. There are lots of ways to go and you can end up at a really good place.

You can get a CZ 527 for under $550 but it will require a scope. Figure at least $250 for a decent scope close to the quality of this rifle. Maybe $200 if you won't be doing real long range work.

Notice I picked a .308 and a 30.06 for my choices here. For hunting I think you can't go wrong. If you want less recoil go with a lighter recoiling cartridge. You'll have the ability to shoot bigger game if you ever want to do that. With the Savage you can of course start with a different caliber and change it as your mood and your bank account changes.

Then there's the Tikka. The T-3 Light can be bought for under $540 in .308. Lots of people really like this rifle. All of these are excellent rifles IMO. And so are rifles made by Howa, T/C, Ruger, etc. etc. etc. etc.. There are way more choices than I have time to describe. The ones I mentioned are the rifles I seriously considered buying or have bought at one time. I don't actually have one of these models I guess but I have 2 Savage rifles in the 110 family. I came very close to buying the Hog Hunter I mentioned here at one point. I've wanted a Tikka for quite a while and I have another CZ rifle I really like not to mention all the other CZ products I've seen that were all excellent. My friend thanks me every time he sees me for pointing him to a CZ handgun. He's won several competitions using it.

The world is full of good rifles. Go to the shops and find examples that fit you well. Check for the features you like. If you don't know what you like do some research. What kind of safety setup do you like? Is that important to you? 2 position or 3 on the safety? Personally I think 3 position is hard to beat. It gives you serious advantages.

There's a lot of research to be done if you're just going to buy one rifle that will be your only rifle for a while. My way of dealing with things has always been if I can't decide what I like buy all of them I might like and sort them out. It usually ends up I like all of them though. Funny how I never seem to sell any guns but once in a while I do. Usually it's when I have more than one or two of the same type of gun. Some of my cheapest guns will be the ones I hold onto forever or until I pass them on to one of my kids. I've already started handing them down just like my dad did for me.

Asking gun junkies to pick just one gun is like asking a heroin addict to limit himself to one fix the rest of his life. I think I'll go do some shooting now. ;)
 
My next rifle will be a CZ 550 if I can find one in 6.5x55. If not, something else in .260 Remington. For the money, the Savages are hard to beat though. If you are looking for a carbine, the CZ 527 would be a great choice in either .223, or 7.62x39. For me, I'd pick the .223 as they now switched to a 1/9 twist barrel.
 
for a do all rifle that might be used for hunting light game I would lean towards a CZ 527 in either 223 or 7.62x39. Cheap to shoot so frequent range trips won't break the bank. The more I shoot the little Zastava in 7.62x39 the more I like the cartridge for a handy bolt gun.

If a scope was on the agenda I'd lean towards something with less bolt lift than either of the previously mentioned rifles. Cee Zee nailed it. Have a look at Tikka. For a little less money the Ruger American might do. Going this direction brings more cartridge options. The 243 might be the perfect crossover cartridge for OP. Has a mild disposition on the range and enough power for a blacktail.
 
If lever guns are your thing then go for it. Marlin still makes a nice lever gun despite their recent troubles. But I might look elsewhere because of the problems with customer service. You can go with a Henry which has great CS but IMO they just aren't the most accurate guns on the rack.

Personally I like bolt action guns because that's where the accuracy is. If I liked plinking with a lever gun I'd buy a Henry Golden Boy and then buy a really good rifle to hunt with. You never mentioned a budget or anything about glass or what all you would be doing besides shooting small black tail deer. More information would help. Personally I live Savage and CZ for great values depending on what you want and what you are looking to do in the future. For a light weight hunting rifle I'd probably go with a CZ 557 or maybe a Tikka T3. For more serious target work I'd get into the Savage chain and work my way up the ladder if that's what it took. Personally I just jumped in a bought one of their best rifles right off the bat to avoid the hassles of building a platform. All that testing of ammo every time you make a change can really add up. It's fun but expensive.

So again your budget and your intentions would be important.

You can buy a rifle in the Savage line for $440 then work your way up with modifications. You don't even need a scope for that particular rifle since it actually has iron sights (rare these days). It's a great place to start and upgrading a Savage is a lot like upgradging a 10/22. There are lots of ways to go and you can end up at a really good place.

You can get a CZ 527 for under $550 but it will require a scope. Figure at least $250 for a decent scope close to the quality of this rifle. Maybe $200 if you won't be doing real long range work.

Notice I picked a .308 and a 30.06 for my choices here. For hunting I think you can't go wrong. If you want less recoil go with a lighter recoiling cartridge. You'll have the ability to shoot bigger game if you ever want to do that. With the Savage you can of course start with a different caliber and change it as your mood and your bank account changes.

Then there's the Tikka. The T-3 Light can be bought for under $540 in .308. Lots of people really like this rifle. All of these are excellent rifles IMO. And so are rifles made by Howa, T/C, Ruger, etc. etc. etc. etc.. There are way more choices than I have time to describe. The ones I mentioned are the rifles I seriously considered buying or have bought at one time. I don't actually have one of these models I guess but I have 2 Savage rifles in the 110 family. I came very close to buying the Hog Hunter I mentioned here at one point. I've wanted a Tikka for quite a while and I have another CZ rifle I really like not to mention all the other CZ products I've seen that were all excellent. My friend thanks me every time he sees me for pointing him to a CZ handgun. He's won several competitions using it.

The world is full of good rifles. Go to the shops and find examples that fit you well. Check for the features you like. If you don't know what you like do some research. What kind of safety setup do you like? Is that important to you? 2 position or 3 on the safety? Personally I think 3 position is hard to beat. It gives you serious advantages.

There's a lot of research to be done if you're just going to buy one rifle that will be your only rifle for a while. My way of dealing with things has always been if I can't decide what I like buy all of them I might like and sort them out. It usually ends up I like all of them though. Funny how I never seem to sell any guns but once in a while I do. Usually it's when I have more than one or two of the same type of gun. Some of my cheapest guns will be the ones I hold onto forever or until I pass them on to one of my kids. I've already started handing them down just like my dad did for me.

Asking gun junkies to pick just one gun is like asking a heroin addict to limit himself to one fix the rest of his life. I think I'll go do some shooting now. ;)

I currently live in Sacramento, CA. If I get a chance to hunt medium/big game at all, it will likely be the tiny blacktail that inhabit the foothills and coastal regions on northern California. There are feral hogs in some nearby areas, but I refuse to hunt those on principal as California charges $20 per hog tag. In my mind, that's basically like charging me $20 to trap rats or pull weeds.

There are also elk and mule deer in the Sierras, but those are a bit out of my league until I can afford a guide.

The terrain in the foothills is mixed. Basically, it's thickly wooded patches separated by large tracts of field. along the coast, the terrain is very thick.

Still, most of my shooting would be at ranges against paper and water jugs, so it's important to have something that would be fun to shoot over and over.

I'm a gunless gun junkie, so I know the idea of choosing just one is rough. But, budgets being what they are, I can really only justify one per year.
 
Those pigs in California are mostly on private property or overhunted public land. I would definitely pick a bolt action as there is a lot of varied terrain that you will have to choose from. Shots could be from 10 feet in the brush to 400 yards east of you in the oaks and canyons. You will be using all copper bullets by the time you draw a deer tag, so plan on it now. You won't draw an elk tag in California in your life unless you are under 12 now, So I would recommend a .243, .260, 7/08, or .308 even. they are all flat shooting calibers and will all kill a blacktail just fine. They are all good for pigs too. We have lots of coyotes, and my 243 shoots a 58 Vmax into one hole. There are lots of decent bolts available these days in short action calibers. Go to a local guns store and handle a few of them. You will be way ahead with a bolt rather than a lever action pistol cartridge. I love levers and have a few, but for only one rifle I would have to have a bolt gun because of accuracy over a longer range. Something like a Ruger American and a Leupold 3-9 and you are set. I don't know if pistol bullets in lead free design are going to work with the twist rates available in lever guns and are they good enough for hunting open country?
 
I'm a bolt action guy all the way. Last fall my brother purchased a Marlin 1894 in 44 Rem Magnum and brought it out for me to mount a scope and sight it in. I had a lot of fun shooting this gun. It wouldn't win any bench rest competitions but it sure was a lot of fun for me to shoot.
 
Springfield M1A......and fall in love with shooting all over again.

It was true for me, and I can't really tell you why. Still trying to figure out myself.
 
Are there any guns that you parted with that you occasionally find yourself reminiscing over? If so, that's the one.

For your purposes, it would certainly be right up there with one of my grail guns I owned, then sold. That gun was a winchester .357 mag carbine. I got it dirty both times I took it to the range, so I got nervous about scratching it and after that I became somewhat scared to shoot it.
 
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What's your budget? If you can swing $1500 (before DROS fees and whatever else) and since you already mentioned these:

GSR in .308 - $990-ish - one rifle suitable in several roles. Deer huntin' is one.
Rossi 92 in .357 - $500 ish - just about the most fun you can have with yer pants on.


Good luck with whatever you choose.


:)
 
Since you mentioned the GSR, I'll make a plug for a Tikka T3 CTR. The more I shoot mine, the more impressed I am with Tikkas.

The CTR come with a steel 10-round mag (that's not obtrusively long), oversized bolt knob, picatinnay rail and a threaded muzzle. Tikka actions are slicker'n snot, and they are known for their accuracy, of which I can confirm. I bought mine to start shooting tactical precision matches, but it'd make a great hunting rifle, so it'll be doing double duty this fall.
 
Are there any guns that you parted with that you occasionally find yourself reminiscing over? If so, that's the one.

For your purposes, it would certainly be right up there with one of my grail guns I owned, then sold. That gun was a winchester .357 mag carbine. I got it dirty both times I took it to the range, so I got nervous about scratching it and after that I became somewhat scared to shoot it.
I do miss my pre Remington 1894c. Those are hen's teeth these days, though.
 
Those pigs in California are mostly on private property or overhunted public land. I would definitely pick a bolt action as there is a lot of varied terrain that you will have to choose from. Shots could be from 10 feet in the brush to 400 yards east of you in the oaks and canyons. You will be using all copper bullets by the time you draw a deer tag, so plan on it now. You won't draw an elk tag in California in your life unless you are under 12 now, So I would recommend a .243, .260, 7/08, or .308 even. they are all flat shooting calibers and will all kill a blacktail just fine. They are all good for pigs too. We have lots of coyotes, and my 243 shoots a 58 Vmax into one hole. There are lots of decent bolts available these days in short action calibers. Go to a local guns store and handle a few of them. You will be way ahead with a bolt rather than a lever action pistol cartridge. I love levers and have a few, but for only one rifle I would have to have a bolt gun because of accuracy over a longer range. Something like a Ruger American and a Leupold 3-9 and you are set. I don't know if pistol bullets in lead free design are going to work with the twist rates available in lever guns and are they good enough for hunting open country?
I harbored no illusions of ever hunting elk it. It looks like it's harder to draw a tag for elk in CA than it was to draw a moose tag in Maine and Vermont.

I don't really see myself hunting any time soon unless I become friends with someone who already knows what they're doing and can point me in the right direction. Hunting is a whole different ballgame out here than back in New England. That's why I want something that is primarily a range gun that can deer hunt if I get the opportunity.

I'm thinking my budget for a rifle and optic could be up to $1,000 if I'm patient.
 
Let see, range shooting almost exclusively, easy and cheap to feed, fun to shoot. To me it sounds like a situation in need of a bolt action .223, and a bolt action .22 LR to acompany it. Fondle as many makes and models as you can then pick a matched pair. I.e. a pair of ruger, savage, cz etc.
 
I would recommend a rifle that I recently purchased... I bought a savage 12 long range precision in 6.5 Creedmoor. They are very accurate, I have shot mine to 536yds so far... I has a 26" heavy barrel, savages precision action, detachable mag, and an hs precision tactical stock with an aluminum bedding block in it... you can hunt anything from varmints up to and including elk with it... it's very versatile and you can buy match grade ammo for about $27.00... and if you want a 10 round mag, dark eagle customs make a 10 round mag that will drop right in... I have one that I use in mine! Just my 2cents.
 
The good thing about the GSR is it comes out of the box ready to be configured in three different ways. Scout scope it, traditional scope it, or just use the sights.

In my opinion, it is most fun just using the sights and spending time practicing quick repeating shots. With the flexibility of the scope mounting you can make it what you want depending on the season or need (or want). Having my GSR has kept me from buying at least one additional gun since I can "change" my GSR whenever I wish.

By the way, changing magazine size (3, 5, or 10) changes the "personality" of the gun a bit too.
 
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