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“Al-Qaeda: We will destroy New York within 35 daysâ€

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  1. w4rma

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    Al-Qaeda exodus triggers panic

    US sparked airport alert after terrorists left secret hideouts
    By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor


    THE sudden movement of large numbers of highly trained al-Qaeda terrorists across the Middle East triggered the panic over possible attacks on Western aircraft which led to the grounding of international flights to the United States last week.

    The Sunday Herald has learned that the US raised its terror alert to Code Orange – the second highest level – on December 21 when Washington discovered that trained al-Qaeda terrorists had been leaving their strongholds and hideouts in the Hadhramouth area east of the Yemeni capital of Sanaa.

    The operatives have moved north and west bearing large quantities of shoulder-launched ground-to-air missiles, a selection of other weapons and a variety of explosives.

    This came as US homeland security chief Tom Ridge spoke of substantially increased intelligence that extremists were planning an attack to surpass the 9/11 atrocities.

    The terrorists then moved into two areas of Saudi Arabia: Najran and Jizran, Osama bin Laden’s homeland. Terrorists in Najran are thought to be planning missions inside Saudi, while those in Jizran are believed to be readying themselves to move overseas. Jizran has a number of ports, ideal to move men and weapons out of the country.

    Both areas would allow terrorists to quickly disperse across the Middle East, Persian Gulf and east Africa. Many are thought to have already left Saudi to pursue their targets.

    Some may also have used unmarked, privately owned aircraft to transport themselves and weapons out of Saudi. The terrorists are said to have “crept†past Saudi, Yemeni and undercover US special forces on the Saudi-Yemen border.

    The number and identity of the al-Qaeda operatives is not known, nor are the locations they are heading towards. That has caused panic and chaos for airline companies and intelligence agencies trying to red-flag the terrorists if they try to board civilian aircraft bound for the West.

    Just a few days ago, the Italian newspaper Il Giornale carried a front-page story with the headline “Al-Qaeda: We will destroy New York within 35 daysâ€.

    The threat was contained, the paper said, in a video clip on a website run by al-Qaeda, which was blocked and then removed by the FBI. The threat seemed to hint that some sort of nuclear dirty bomb would be used . The newspaper is viewed as the flagship paper of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi. New Year celebrations in New York, Rome, Moscow, London and Las Vegas were all carried out under intense security.

    Yesterday, British Airways flight 223 from London to Washington – which was cancelled for two days running and had previously been escorted into the US by F-16 fighter jets – was finally allowed to take off.

    It was due to leave at 3.05pm but was delayed for three hours while all passengers were searched and escorted on to the plane one at a time. Their details were double-checked in the US before the plane took off. Security fears also grounded BA flight 263 to the Saudi capital Riyadh yesterday.

    Transport Secretary Alistair Darling warned that the threat to commercial aircraft was likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

    04 January 2004
    http://www.sundayherald.com/39093
     
  2. Oleg Volk

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    I wonder if New Yorkers would take up a collection to bribe the enemy into picking Washington D.C. instead...
     
  3. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    Again? <YAWN>:scrutiny:

    Any Muslims who listened to Al-Queda last month and fled NYC and DC in terror must be getting pissed about having to live in those refugee camps in Delaware and Pennsylvania by now. :D

    I'll be sure to aviod going to NYC (Not). :neener:
     
  4. Gary H

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    w4rma:

    Do you post anything outside of the "Legal" forum?
     
  5. w4rma

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    No. Gun policy, as a subset of politics, interests me. Small talk doesn't, although sometimes I scan the other forums for info.
     
  6. Don Gwinn

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    Interesting take. Most people would call politics "small talk." So you aren't interested in shooting?
     
  7. w4rma

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    I'd rather do it than talk about it. :)

    Politics can be small talk but it really is serious stuff, IMHO. Politics affects everyone in the world. A few votes or a politician's snafu could mean the difference between life and death for many people.
     
  8. Gary H

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    Politics may be serious stuff, but as a matter of constant posts.. it is serious stuff for other boards. Many of us post off topic, but most do not constantly post off topic.
     
  9. G1FAL

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    This is the part that bothers me:

    So, the .gov learned that these scumbags are on the move, and their response...raise the terror alert code?

    Does anyone take that crap seriously? I know I sure as hell dont. Not only because I live so far from anything that I can imagine to be a decent target, but because they change the color code thing too much, without giving any kind of reason. "Be careful"...of what? What are we supposed to be looking for? Middle Eastern men with box cutters, hand grenades, bombs in their shoes, or driving a Ryder truck? Norwegians (sp?) with pans of lutefisk (I probably didnt spell that right either, and I dont know if its a Norwegian food)? Aussies with sheep shears? People walking around saying stuff like "Hey dere, how do I git to dee airport, eh"? Come on, we cant be on the lookout for EVERYTHING. Why not say "Middle Eastern Men, between 18-35 years old"? Oh, wait...that would be profiling....cant do that. Even though it wasnt German tourists who crashed planes in NYC and DC....even though it wasnt Russian reporters who attacked the WTC the first time....or Italian models that blew up Pan Am 103.

    And the real kicker....we know these guys are on the move. There is suspicion they may be about to blow something up. And the color code gets changed? Huh? Am I missing something here?

    Why are we not dropping a bomb on them? Or sending in CIA agents? Or better yet, tipping off the Mossad, and letting THEM deal with these wastes of flesh and air? I thought that the War on Terror was an actual WAR, not a color code game. You know, like, killing people and breaking stuff? Didnt the .gov say something about fighting terror WHEREVER IT WAS FOUND? We took out the taliban, we took out Saddam....WHY are we not taking them out, too?

    This color code threat level crap is just more feel-good/do-nothing BS, tailored to those that are too stupid to understand the ThreatCon system that was already in place. We have people too damned dumb to operate a friggin BALLOT, for pete's sake, how can they be expected to understand ThreatCon Delta? They'd probably think that Delta Airlines planes were being hijacked.

    But I sure am glad that the gov knows that these bags of excrement are on the move, and chooses to change the Color of the Week.

    :banghead:
     
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    Gary H

    How is w4rma "off topic"? The L&P forum is not restricted to firearms only discussion like the General Gun Discussions forum is.

    This thread is very much "on topic" for this forum.

     
  11. The Scandinavian

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    The point is, there is perhaps a 0.001% chance of there being any factual information here...

    Take for example those French flights that were grounded a few days back over Christmas because of "solid intelligence" etc etc... remember how that turned out?

    "The six Al Qaeda men turned out to be a five year old boy, whose name had been mistaken for an alleged Tunisian terrorist, an elderly Chinese lady who used to run a restaurant in Paris, a Welsh insurance salesman and three French nationals. "

    (Le Monde and RTBF TV, 2 January 2004)


    Is it just my imagination or is there a pattern here?
     
  12. Thumper

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    Surely you understand that that's not the only thing that's going on? You realize that every intelligence services' actions aren't broadcast in the popular press, right?

    My background is in military intelligence. I worked for the NSA for 4 years between 88 and 92. There is LOT that you and I don't know about.

    You realize that in spite of thousands of fanatics ostensibly attempting to accomplish one, there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 9/11/2001, right?
     
  13. Azrael256

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    What pattern? A pattern of disturbing incompentence by a thouroughly castrated intelligence agency? I think 9/11 pretty well proved that.
     
  14. El Tejon

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    They have to go all out in '04; time to make their move is coming. The terrorists must defeat Bush in November.

    Foggy Bottom knows this. Whether they will/can prevent this remains to be seen.:scrutiny:
     
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    To me, the terror alert codes are really for the LEO and security communities - I really don't see them as asking regular civilians to do anything other than help keep an eye out for trouble. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that we have kept Al Queda from doing anything else here since 9/11 is enough for me. All the complaining I hear about the alerts is becoming more mudane (boring) to me than the alerts.

    I'm obviously no expert in intelligence gathering but I sincerely doubt that it is a perfect science.
     
  16. The Scandinavian

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    Yeah you hit the nail on the head there with the word 'ostensibly'.

    There are many possible scenarios. Maybe there really are thousands of cave-dwelling fanatics who 'hate you for your freedoms'.
     
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    QUOTE]Maybe there really are thousands of cave-dwelling fanatics who 'hate you for your freedoms'.[/QUOTE]

    Ah...are you another European who believes that terrorism is a myth and that George Bush orchestrated 9/11?
     
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    I'm not European, and I have problems with the "hate us for our freedoms" thing. OBL said be hated us because of our backing of Israel and Saudi Arabia, and our stationing or troops in Saudi.

    He'd think we were fine if we backed out of the middle east. Nothing to do with "freedoms."

    Now the Bush administration, on the other hand, may have some issues with our freedoms. Seems he's another who thinks like Clinton did, that the Government has to move to limit freedoms on occasion...

    :uhoh:
     
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    ...Which reminds me of a news website article (probably BBC, but sorry I can't remember, it was a while back) which said that some think-tank had come up with the notion that scandinavia was an ideal place for terrorists to take cover, because of the open and free nature of society.

    I remember thinking, so... how come they don't hate us for our freedoms :)

    (edited for typo)
     
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    I'm with G1FAL on this one...why, if you know they are there, are you not bombing the piss out of these places???

    That's what I want to know.

    GT
     
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    Derek...I understand your point of view based on your religious background, but I disagree.

    I expect my elected leaders to promote the cause and the well being of American citizens and , to the extent that it furthers that primary goal, her allies. That's it.

    If that cause happens to be to the detriment of others, so be it...I really could care less. Sounds harsh, (and "neocon," I suppose) but that's my feeling.

    If the Arab world, or the EU, or China...or whatever contingent you propose, doesn't like that (and I'm sure they don't,) they are free to compete, both economically and militarily.

    9/11 was a great psychological blow, but nothing we couldn't come back from. I hope we're able to keep it from infringing on our freedoms (the reason I believe we've been so successful in the first place.)

    To many parentheses in this post, but I'm too lazy to edit.

    :D
     
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    OK, maybe my view of the war on terrorism is a little too simple but help me out here.

    So we know these little effers are "on the move". That would imply we knew where they were because we know they are no longer there. So why didn't we just kill the bastards when we could? Or if we want the moral high ground mount a snatch 'n grab and make them residents of Hotel Guantanomo?

    I like the modern age Golden Rule: Do unto others before they do unto you.
     
  24. The Scandinavian

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    'coz they aint really there?

    Just a suggestion....


    Here's a point, does it seem really likely that "Al Quaeda" would release their plans in a newspaper (I mean the Il Giornale 35 days thing)? Doesn't this sort of thing happen every 4th july, christmas, thanksgiving, new year? When does the point come when one can start to be sceptical?
     
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    Skeptical of what? That they exist? I'm still not sure of your position.

    Also, this is not a "war on Al Quada." I think a lot of people worldwide are missing that. They call it a War on Terror, which, so far, seems to mean a war on those who would attack civilians, specifically America and her allies' citizens. There are plenty of those still about. JMHO.
     
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