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This 5.56mm round has all the stopping power you need — but you can't use it. Here's why:
By John G. Roos
Special to the Times
Ben Thomas and three colleagues were driving north out of Baghdad in an SUV on a clear mid-September morning, headed down a dirt road into a rural village, when gunmen in several surrounding buildings opened fire on them.
In a brief but intense firefight, Thomas hit one of the attackers with a single shot from his M4 carbine at a distance he estimates was 100 to 110 yards.
He hit the man in the buttocks, a wound that typically is not fatal. But this round appeared to kill the assailant instantly.
"It entered his butt and completely destroyed everything in the lower left section of his stomach ... everything was torn apart," Thomas said.
Thomas, a security consultant with a private company contracted by the government, recorded the first known enemy kill using a new — and controversial — bullet.
The bullet is so controversial that if Thomas, a former SEAL, had been on active duty, he would have been court-martialed for using it. The ammunition is "nonstandard" and hasn't passed the military's approval process.
"The way I explain what happened to people who weren't there is … this stuff was like hitting somebody with a miniature explosive round," he said, even though the ammo does not have an explosive tip. "Nobody believed that this guy died from a butt shot."
The bullet Thomas fired was an armor-piercing, limited-penetration round manufactured by RBCD of San Antonio.
A new process
APLP ammo is manufactured using a so-called "blended-metal" process, said Stan Bulmer, president of sales and manufacturing for Le Mas Ltd. of Little Rock, Ark. Le Mas is the distributor of RBCD ammo.
Various bullet types made by RBCD are designed for different effects, Bulmer said.
The frangible APLP ammo will bore through steel and other hard targets but will not pass through a human torso, an eight-inch-thick block of artist's clay or even several layers of drywall. Instead of passing through a body, it shatters, creating "untreatable wounds."
Le Mas gave Thomas a small number of APLP rounds after he contacted the company.
After driving off their attackers, Thomas and his colleagues quickly searched the downed enemy fighter for items of intelligence value. They also took time to examine the wound.
"There's absolutely no comparison, whatever, none," to other wounds he has seen from 5.56mm ammo, Thomas said in a telephone interview while on home leave in Florida.
He said he feels qualified to assess a bullet's effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo, including the standard-issue green tip and the Black Hills Mk 262, favored by spec-ops troops.
Thomas was the only member of the four-man group who had RBCD ammo. He said that after the group returned to base, they and other members of his group snatched up the remaining rounds.
"They were fighting over it," he said. "At the end of the day, each of us took five rounds. That's all we had left."
Congress wants tests
Last year's defense budget included $1.05 million for testing blended-metal bullets, Bulmer said. Fourteen months into the 24-month period during which those research and development-testing funds must be spent, the military has not purchased a single bullet from Le Mas.
Publicly, at least, military officials say RBCD ammo is no more effective than other types now in use and, under certain conditions, doesn't even perform as well. Those conclusions are derived from a series of tests conducted a few years ago in which RBCD ammo's effects were observed in ballistic gelatin, the standard means for testing bullets.
Naval Reserve Lt. Cmdr. Gary Roberts, a recognized ballistics expert and member of the International Wound Ballistics Association, conducted the gelatin tests in March 2002.
According to his findings, "Claims that RBCD bullet terminal performance can vary depending on target thickness, size or mass were not shown to have merit, as bullet performance remained consistent irrespective of gelatin block size."
Roberts found that in gelatin, a 9mm, 60-grain slug exhibited "tissue damage comparable to that of other nonexpanding 9mm bullets and is less than that of standard 9mm [jacketed hollow point] designs, since the RBCD bullet does not create as much tissue damage due to its smaller recovered diameter."
A .45-caliber bullet "offered average terminal performance in bare and denim-clad gelatin, similar to that noted with the 9mm bullet. ... The RBCD bullets do not appear to be a true frangible design, as significant mass is retained after striking a target."
Not surprisingly, Roberts' assessment remains a major impediment to getting RBCD ammo into military hands. Considering his standing in the ballistics community, his findings are accepted as gospel by many influential members of the special-operations community.
But Bulmer insists that tests in ballistic gelatin fail to demonstrate RBCD ammo's actual performance because the gelatin is chilled to 36 degrees. Their bullets seem to shatter most effectively only when they strike warmer targets, such as live tissue. Bulmer said tests using live animals clearly would show its effects. Despite his appeals for such testing, and the funds set aside by Congress to conduct new tests, the military refuses.
Bulmer said authority to spend the testing funds initially went to U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., which delegated testing responsibility to the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C.
Queries to the command confirmed that it was aware of the testing requirement but had not decided when, or if, the tests will be conducted.
Bill Skipper, president and CEO of the American Business Development Group, is a lobbyist representing Le Mas on Capitol Hill. "When I heard of the ballistic characteristics of this ammo, as a retired military officer, I realized it has to stay in the good guys' hands," he said, adding that SOCom's reluctance to test it is "irresponsible."
"This is an issue of national security," he said.
Some supporters of RBCD ammunition suggest SOCom officials may be reluctant to test the ammo because it threatens "in-house" weapons and ammunition programs underway at the command.
Special-operations forces long have sought a more potent standard round than the 5.56mm, which lacks the punch needed during the long-distance engagements that frequently occur in Afghanistan and Iraq. In response, SOCom is working with weapons and ammunition manufacturers to develop a new round and new upper receivers for M4 and M16 rifles.
The command apparently has narrowed its search to a 6.8-by-43mm round.
Indication of industries' involvement in this effort was seen in October during the annual Association of the U.S. Army exhibition in Washington.
If Le Mas' 5.56mm APLP round delivers the performance SOCom is seeking in the new 6.8mm ammo — and Bulmer insists it does — the rationale and the potentially lucrative contracts for producing a new ammo type and modifying thousands of weapons used by special-operations forces would disappear.
Thomas said he isn't familiar with the reasons that might keep RBCD ammo from getting a realistic test within the military.
"The politics, that's above my pay grade," he said. "All I really care about is that I have the best-performing weapon, optics, communications, medical equipment, etc. I'm taking Le Mas ammo with me when I return to Iraq, and I've already promised lots of this ammo to my buddies who were there that day and to their friends."
When military officials in the United States got wind that Thomas had used the round, he quickly found himself in the midst of an online debate in which an unnamed officer, who mistakenly assumed Thomas was in the service, threatened him with a court martial for using the nonstandard ammo.
Although Thomas was impressed by RBCD ammo's performance, he feels it should not be the standard ammunition issued to all U.S. forces.
"The first thing I say when I talk to people about Le Mas' ammo is, make sure that 22-year-old infantrymen don't get a hold of this, because if they have an accident ... if they have a negligent discharge, that person is dead. It doesn't matter how much body armor you have on.
"This is purely for putting into bad guys. For general inventory, absolutely not. For special operations, I wouldn't carry anything else."
A video clip on RBCD ammo that was shot at the annual Armed Forces Journal Shootout at Blackwater is online at www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets.
John G. Roos is editor of Armed Forces Journal.
http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2426405.php
 
I just finished reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Matthew Bracken. In the book someone is shot by a round described as similar to the above ammunition. I had thought it was poppycock..now I'm not sure.

-M
 
Matt Bracken is a member and frequent contributor here, and Dr. Gary Roberts can be found at THR's sister forum: www.tacticalforums.com in the Terminal Ballistics section.

- Gabe
 
For more insight on this issue, there is significant discussion on the lightfighter.net forums here (you must register to read it).

Good stuff!

- Gabe
 
I had read the lightfighter thread a few weeks ago before it degenerated. I must say that the behavior of the people selling this ammo as described in the thread is not confidence building. Nevertheless, even geniuses can be total jerks sometime. Perhaps this is the one kind of wonder ammo that cannot be properly simulated in ballistic gelatin. Unfortunately for them, the onus is theirs to prove their claims.

Statements such as:

"We've been called idiots, charlatans, and liars," Bulmer said. "The truth is, with some of this technology we just can't explain why it does what it does, but it does it. The more we test it, as guys who aren't pros at this, we find it as hard to believe as you probably do."

do not engender confidence.

Either way, it probably won't be legal for those not in law enforcement.

-M
 
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Wonderammo. They test it in clay blocks on their websight to make it look more impressive because the clay will hold the temporary cavity whereas gelatin will not. Because of it's velocity, RBCD has a big temporary cavity, which causes the clay block to explode. When they show the hydrashock being shot into the block there appears to be less damage. This is not the case, Temporary cavity is not what kills your opponent, permanant cavity is. The permanant cavity from RBCD is relatively small.
 
It's always fun watching Dr. Roberts utterly dismember someone on a thread somewhere. The guy is unstoppable and types a mean post.

If you're going to pipe up and present yourself as having or doing something important in the ammunition and wound ballistics field, you'd better have your stuff wired tight before Gary Roberts gets wind of you. :)

- Gabe
 
Fine, what's so scarry?

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I'll ask dave (the owner of ammolab) what he thinks, theres gotta be a reason why his gunshop doesn't stock RBCD uber-ammo. I'll ask him when i go pick up some stuff from him tomorrow.
 
"Instead of passing through a body, it shatters, creating "untreatable wounds."


This will never be approved for military use. The reason we use the ammo we do is because the ammo has been approved by those who determine what is legal in war. This goes back a long time and I don't see it changing.

DM
 
Doublemaduro hit the nail on the head. Ammunition has to be found to be legal for war under international legal standards before it can be procured and issued. The Black Hills 77 gr Mk 262 Mod 1 has been approved for use by SF troops to replace the M855 in their Mk12 rifles and M4 carbines. SOCOM is pursuing development of a new 6.8 x 43mm 115 gr OTM bullet, and it sounds like the competition is heating up. I would imagine the stakes are high. :D

TC
TFL Survivor
 
Same thing rehashed

http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=htweap.htm

December 1, 2003: While the U.S. Special Forces are experimenting with a 6.8mm round for their rifles (M-16s and M-4s), they are also looking into new types of rounds for their 5.56mm weapons. One of the more effective new developments is the APLP (armor piercing, limited penetration) round. Made with a blended-metal process, the 60 grain bullet will penetrate metal or other hard objects, but when it hits a warm body, it fragments rapidly. The effect is similar to an explosive round, and turns a non-fatal wound into a kill. SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has so far resisted adopting the round, largely because tests on gelatin did not show the explosive wounding effect. But tests on warm, but dead, animals, show the effect. And a former SEAL, working for a contractor in Iraq, got into a firefight with Iraqis and hit one in the butt with an APLP round, and killed the Iraqi. The former SEAL was had medic training and was able to examine the dead Iraqi and verified the dramatic effect of the APLP round. This bullet is not recommended for regular troops, because any incident of friendly fire would likely be fatal. But for commandos, it would probably be used exclusively, for these men get into battles where every shot counts. Normally, armor piercing bullets go right through people, doing less damage than non-AP bullets, which are designed to break up when they hit something and increase the damage.
 
Armor piercing limited penetration sounds like an oxymoron to me. Call me skeptical but I still remember the furor over the black rhino. Can anyone tell me how this wonderbullet supposedly treats soft tissue different from armor?
 
HEAT?

Let's see, have you ever picked up a spent bullet? One that may have bounced back and landed close to you? I guaranty that when it hits a target it is much hotter than the 98.6 of a human body. I don't think the differance between the heat of a body and say a tank sitting in the hot dessert sun would favor the human body being hotter. Does this mean it won't penetrate engine blocks?

Must be physics. These are laws that cannot be broken.

I still believe that we will never use it in battle because it would make it much easier for the enemy to use nasty things on us. That is what the conventions of war are all about. There are some things that are too bad to be used against other people because we don't want them used against us.

DM
 
Hey, I've got a new design. It's a .22lr that'll penetrate the armor on a Bradley and blow a hole the size of a watermelon through a man! Not only that, but it won't overpenetrate the walls of a house! It does this through super secret alien technology! That and a drop of mercury in the tip! I can't demonstrate it, but trust me, all the elite units use it. Just shoot someone in the foot and they'll be dead!

So stoopid it's funny.
 
Bill Skipper, president and CEO of the American Business Development Group, is a lobbyist representing Le Mas on Capitol Hill. "When I heard of the ballistic characteristics of this ammo, as a retired military officer, I realized it has to stay in the good guys' hands," he said, adding that SOCom's reluctance to test it is "irresponsible."
"This is an issue of national security," he said.

Gotta love that. Yeah buddy, a new type of ammo is a big threat to our national security.
 
I think one of the big reasons people are having so much trouble explaining RBCD ammo is because we don't really know how it works.

I am willing to bet that heat has very little to do with the end behavior of the bullet. Why? Because the impact happens so fast that very little heat transfer can really go on between the body and the bullet. My bet is that the kicker for bullet breakup has much more to do with the kind of stress the bullet experiences on impact. Solids and fluids react differently to impact and produce different types of stress and pressure. The human body is basically a bunch of fluids held together by membranes so if you shoot a jug of water or even soft clay you may trip the effect, but a kevlar or a cinder block will not.

Why does heat seem to matter? Because temperature effects the properties of the impact medium. Cold meat and hot meat feel different, cold meat is stiffer and more "solid" (to put it in layman's terms).
 
Hi guys! Where to begin, first thing is that I have not gone to the lightfighter.net forums because you do have to register to read it. One thing that I want to point out is that Ben Thomas is not with the U.S. Military. He is a security consultant and was a consultant for the Australian Olympic security. He can use anything he wants. I am not so sure not just due to signing of the Geneva Convention or Hague Accord whether this even qualifies for coverage. We are no longer battling the Iraqi military, these are terrorists not soldiers so they may not be protected by those agreements anyway.

manhattan23, the ammo that Lemas Ltd sells is not for sale to the public due to its' armor penetrating capability. All LE and govt sales go through Lemas, even for foreign governments. Fortunately RBCD has loads that do meet with BATF approval. They did not allow the sale of a 4400 fps .308 load and do not permit us to surpass the armor penetration ability of conventional handgun ammo.

clubsoda22, you are partially correct. RBCD has a HUGE temporary stretch cavity. This is due to velocity. Velocity is what has always made rifle ammo effective. Look at the .223. A .22 caliber 55 gr bullet. If it was a handgun round we wouldn't consider it. Suddenly when you drive it to 3000 fps it becomes good. This is where RBCD is different. Never before has a handgun been capable of inflicting hydrostatic shock to its' target. We have handgun rounds at 3000 fps and a .45 ACP available to the public at nearly 2400 fps. Guess what? You shoot that .223 out of a little 11" Car-15 and you only get around 2600 fps. .451 80gr at 2400 fps or .223 55gr at 2600 fps? How about a .40 cal 77gr at nearly 2500 fps? That is that RBCD 10mm. The reason we use clay? Because it is easier to shoot pictures of a clay block before and after than and one gallon jug of water and it was cheaper than jello. Later Roscoe did go out and shoot jello and you can see the photos here:
http://www.rbcd.net/gelatin photos.html
Whether or not he followed the FBI guidelines, I don't know, but I doubt it because there is no thermometer nor .177 caliber steel BB in the gelatin blocks shown in the photos. Without that BB the gelatin blocks are not calibrated and no better than shooting water bottles or wet newspaper. Dave doesn't like it because he couldn't get the ammo for free, that is my speculation. The ammo he did get is generations old (I can tell by looking at the boxes and the ballistics). I also did not see any gelatin blocks with an imbedded BB for RBCD ammo.

Gabe, sounds like Gary Roberts shouts down his detractors like the anti-gunners do.

Double Maduro, don't worry, they can't get it. We won't sell it to them.

444, interesting that what you post shows APLP at 60 gr, my boxes are plainly marked 40gr. That is unless RBCD is loading for the 6.8 mm.

Mark Tyson, no I don't know how it penetrates hard barriers yet disrupts in a watery medium, but it does and wonderfully so. You should see the handgun ammo against auto glass.

Balog, you may be closer than you think. I was on the phone with the Detroit Arsenal yesterday in Warren, Mi. They make the M1 Abrams tank and nobody knows what is going on yet.

MrAcheson, you may be right. RBCD may work on a range of densities, optimally in warm meat, least in a sheet of cold steel.

This is specualtion on my part, BUT judging by the information in the article I am going to guess that this was part of the State Department contract, possibly some of the overrun as I have a box of this type myself at home.

There were two types and this one would be the 'Urban Tactical APLP'. It fires a 40 gr bullet at nearly 4000 fps. The other is the 'Urban Tactical/CQB' with the same ballistics, but without the armor penetrating capability. The difference is in the construction of the slug, the base material is thinner and the side material is slightly thinner on the CQB version. The APLP was tested with the standard 55gr and 62gr SS109 rounds fired at a steel plate with one of the famous RBCD clay blocks behind it. The 55gr slug splattered on the steel plate, the SS109 penetrated the plate and zipped right through the clay block, the RBCD penetrated the steel plate and blew the clay block up.

What is scary is the velocity. This guy was using an M4 with a 14.5" barrel. Even the 55gr ammo isn't making 3000 fps, more like 2800 if that. The RBCD is zipping along MUCH faster.

The slugs are designed to upset in meat yet still have intermediate barrier penetration. I don't know how heat has anything to do with it, but in the handgun line if you shoot one roast cold and one roast that has been warmed up to 80 or 90 degrees the results are much more dramatic in the warm meet. I was talking to a guy this weekend who spoke with one of the ME's in Ft. Worth who was impressed with it. He said that it makes sense, but that we are still losing the effect of blood pressure that a living creature would have.

Some things to remember here:
1. For most people, myself included, making statements about a rounds effectiveness is opinion and nothing more. The next time someone tells you which bullet is best, ask them how many people they have killed with it. Me? Zero.

2. Thomas, a former SEAL, with first hand experience said, "he feels qualified to assess a bullet's effects, having trained as a special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of ammo, including the standard-issue green tip and the Black Hills Mk 262, favored by spec-ops troops.

3. "The way I explain what happened to people who weren't there is … this stuff was like hitting somebody with a miniature explosive round."

4. "It entered his butt and completely destroyed everything in the lower left section of his stomach ... everything was torn apart," "a wound that typically is not fatal."

5. "this round appeared to kill the assailant instantly." and "Nobody believed that this guy died from a butt shot."

6. They also took time to examine the wound. "There's absolutely no comparison, whatever, none," to other wounds he has seen from 5.56mm ammo.

I think that one problem might be that Naval Reserve Lt. Cmdr. Gary Roberts may be a bit jealous of the Ben Thomas' of the world, which the guys at Lemas Ltd fall into by the way. Apparently Gary Roberts and Lemas Ltd have been going at it for awhile. Here is a link to a rebuttal on the Lemas website:
http://www.lemasltd.com/1Shot/bDrGKrebuttal.htm

I don't know Gary Roberts, never met him. So I have never asked him what ammo he has shot people with and what the effect was. From what I have heard, he shoots bowls of jello. If you are interested in the only approved method for shooting gelatin blocks here is the mixing, storage, and shooting procedure developed by the FBI.
http://www.vyse.com/gelatin_for_ballistic_testing.htm

Even with all that, I am not to sure that gelatin can be considered to be an adequate test media for RBCD.
 
They're not mercs, they are "independent contractors" :D And they are very well paid too. By whom should be the question:scrutiny:
 
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