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weapons that are now on the streets somewhere in Western Washington.
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Clearly not an astute reporter. The guns are on the way to Southern California by now. Recent residents and thoughtful observers notice these crimes rise and correlate to the influx of CA refugees. It's been a steady trend for more than a decade.

NG VI said:
Thank goodness, semis are generally cheaper and easier to replace
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Not the first thing that came to my mind, but I do like the way you think. :)
 
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"...took only semiautomatic pistols..." Imagine that. Criminals/gangbangers don't want revolvers or rifles.
"...the store's security system..." Likely bypassed. Tunneling indicates heavily financed, professional, thieves. Too much like work for run-of-the-mill thieves.
 
If you look at the consruction of the building, they didn't "tunnel" they went through the overhang. This put them up through the floor. They got inside in a matter of a few minutes. But it does sound like they knew how to disable the alarm(which isn't really difficult either). Alarms are pretty simple, as long as you don't trip a sensor befor you disable the main control, your good to go.
 
jonmerritt said:
If you look at the consruction of the building, they didn't "tunnel" they went through the overhang. This put them up through the floor. They got inside in a matter of a few minutes. But it does sound like they new how to disable the alarm(which isn't really difficult either).Alarms are pretty simple, as long as you don't trip a sensor befor you disable the main control, your good to go.
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Doesn't disabling the main control require a password?
 
Honestly, help me out. What the hell did the pizza man say?

"I'll be honest with you, because I'm a Muslim, of course, I'm afraid to be next door to him. Heh. Because you know _______________, you know."

Can anyone translate?
 
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Honestly, help me out. What the hell did the pizza man say?

"I'll be honest with you, because I'm a Muslim, of course, I'm afraid to be next door to him. Heh. Because you know _______________, you know."

Can anyone translate?
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I find it ironic that he makes a point of mentioning that he is Muslim, and therefore (presumably) understandably afraid of Americans LEGALLY buying and selling guns. You know, because there have been so many rampant incidents of violence against Muslims by non-Muslims...:rolleyes: (Meanwhile, he is working in a pizza shop that serves no less than FIVE pork-based toppings, according to their menue.)
 
Yosemite Sam said:
Doesn't disabling the main control require a password?
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Yes, this isn't the movies. Unless the system was 30 years old or a do-it-yourself install, it has a keypad.

I would think an alarm for a gunshop would have to be fairly up to date for insurance purposes? Including a cell backup (if the phone line is cut), external sirens, motion (infrared) detectors, glass break detectors, etc.

I bet they'll update the alarm system now.
 
Worst part is these guys that took the stuff probably have been in the store more than once and had a nice conversation with the owner, even looked and held a gun or 2.
 
jonmerritt said:
If you look at the construction of the building, they didn't "tunnel" they went through the overhang. This put them up through the floor. They got inside in a matter of a few minutes. But it does sound like they knew how to disable the alarm(which isn't really difficult either). Alarms are pretty simple, as long as you don't trip a sensor before you disable the main control, your good to go.
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If the store had no internal motion sensors, and was limited to sensors on the doors and windows, then it makes perfect sense that coming up through the floor wouldn't trigger anything. The thieves probably knew there were no motion sensors when they cased the store -- they are usually pretty simple to spot.
 
I wonder if it wasn't an inside job. Like the guns were already gone. Insurance fraud?
 
I go to that store semi-regularly.....I'd be surprised if there were a hundred handguns in the place! The owner is a pretty nice guy, I feel bad for him that this has happened especially with all the overly dramatic reporting.
 
Why is it that as soon as someone posts a thread about someone else being victimized in some way, somebody will come on and accuse the victim of being a criminal?:eek:
 
Tunneling indicates heavily financed, professional, thieves. Too much like work for run-of-the-mill thieves.
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I wonder if it wasn't an inside job. Like the guns were already gone. Insurance fraud?
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I hate to disagree, but I do. The thieves only took semi autos. If these guys were real “professionals” or if the robbery was an inside job, they would have handpicked what to steal ahead of time. This mostly would have been the higher-end stuff, which would have been a mixed bag of semi-autos, revolvers, rifles and shotguns. Just grabbing the semi-autos makes it sound like they were average thieves just grabbing what they knew they could liquidate on the street quickly.
 
Kind of sad to think what this does to the self esteem of the revolvers. I agree with ForumSurfer, if these guys were real theives, they would have gone for vaule over quantity.
 
This is why background checks and gun control in general doesn't work.:fire:

I'm of the mindset that someone posed as a customer to take a look at the security system. Once they determined that there weren't motion sensors, I doubt there were, they figured it'd be pretty easy to bust a hole in the overhang from below and crawl in without tripping the alarm.
 
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ForumSurfer said:
I hate to disagree, but I do. The thieves only took semi autos. If these guys were real “professionals” or if the robbery was an inside job, they would have handpicked what to steal ahead of time. This mostly would have been the higher-end stuff, which would have been a mixed bag of semi-autos, revolvers, rifles and shotguns. Just grabbing the semi-autos makes it sound like they were average thieves just grabbing what they knew they could liquidate on the street quickly.
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I think I'd have to agree that this makes perfect sense. Seems to have been about "what can we sell the quickest."
 
I think that whenever you've got a firearms store, you need good, updated security. My local gun guy has maybe 40-50 firearms in his shop at any time and it's no bigger than my living room, and he's got 5 or 6 video cameras, motion sensors, and heavy gauge steel cages that pull down over the firearms and lock to the floor when the store is closed.
 
I've seen the opposite thing happen.. They got on the roof and came in through the ventilation system. Luckly that place locks up all their handguns in a safe somewhere, but all the long guns were locked up in a sub-par manner. However they only took 3 - a remington 870 12 gauge, browning BPS 20 gauge and an H&R .410 snake charmer. To get to the BPS they had to pass the $2000 citori on the rack. some criminals are strange. They got caught a couple months later, turned out to be 3 teenagers. The store got 2 of the 3 guns back over a year later.

hopefully there is a good outcome to this
 
Kind of sad to think what this does to the self esteem of the revolvers. I agree with ForumSurfer, if these guys were real theives, they would have gone for vaule over quantity
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They did go for value, resale value on the street.
Gang bangers want what they see in the movies not some old revolver even it if is worth more.
Remember the story about the robbers that cut down an old very valuable shotgun and robbed a 7-11 for less than $20.
 
Bingo. I was about to say what acdodd just did.

You guys are thinking like gunnies. To figure out a criminal mind, figure out his environment.
Let's say you're the thief. You break in. There on the wall is a Beretta 682 marked at $4k. You grab that gun. The length of the gun makes it tough to slide back down through the hole in the floor. Takes you a little longer to get out of the shop. then you need to stuff it in the car so that it can't be seen. Also tough with a long gun. Then you want to sell it. Sell it to a legit place, and you'll arouse suspicion. Sell it on the black market and you get no more than you would for any other cheapo shotgun, because ghetto-bubba is gonna cut off the stock, and take a hacksaw to the barrels to turn it into a sawed-off shotgun. Ghetto-bubba has no interest in a quality trap gun.

On the other hand, lets say that you go into the store, and grab a Glock 22. You can stuff it in your waistband, crawl out, hide it easily, and make big bucks with it on the street because it's exactly what your target audience wants. I have no way to prove it, but I'd bet that in da' hood you'd get more money for a Glock than for a $4k trap shotgun.

These weren't stupid criminals. They were savvy, and playing to their crowd.
I could probably stuff a backpack with what, 20? 30 semi-auto handguns easily? If each of those brings me even $300 on the street, that means I make $6-9k in gun sales.

Not that I would ever break the law, or advocate that anyone else break the law, but if I were these criminals, I'd do the same thing. Go for the guns with real street value.

A private guy selling many multi-thousand-dollar shotguns, rifles, and pistols raises eyebrows.
 
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