$1000 to invest for a 2y/o - options and storage

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Index funds and CAREFUL real-estate investments have made me semi-rich. Forget commodities, such as precious metals, unless you're prepared to really educate yourself. Otherwise you may as well go to Las vegas. If it were me I would open the child a Roth IRA and invest in a low load index such as an Ishare fund. It's not sexy or give you braggin' rights but it is a sure fire way to make money over the long haul.
 
If I were going to buy a firearm for investing, I'd get a classic (Pre '64 Win M70) that will appreciate rather than something currently in production.

Excellent advice. For $1000 you could probably find a NIB S&W model 19, or perhaps something like a model 28, etc...etc...

Don't hesitate to buy a blued gun. Just use an auto wax on it well and if it's sitting in a climate controlled area and not being taken out, shot, handled, etc... it should not develop any rust. Blued guns with wood grips/stocks are classic and do seem to hold value nicely.
 
Ignoring the financial return aspect..

What bothers me most about buying a firearm as an investment is that it probably don't be shot enough after initial purchase to discover any latent manufacturing/production flaws.

Later finding parts for an 18-year old firearm won't be much fun, and potentially costly depending on where the problem lies.
 
If I were just going to invest in one gun for a return sometime in the near future I think I would go with a Colt SAA.
If it has to be a gun, this ^^^

An old Colt will hold its value, for sure.

Otherwise, I agree that there are better investments if you want appreciation.
 
An old Colt will hold its value, for sure.

Holding value is losing money, because of inflation. Best bet is to get a 529 account that allows investment in index funds, or ETFs Get a fund with the lowest possible expense ratio (management expenses will eat up your profits like you won't believe).

Another option os to see if you can get a 529 that allows lifecycle funds. Basically its a mutual fund that has a targeted end date. Once again, look for one that focuses on matching the market, and has the lowest possible expense ratio. If you get something that pays out idividends, try to see if you get the dividends reinvested automatically. Cash sitting in an account is losing ground
 
Wieviel Reichsmark!?

Index Funds? Let's say we're in Germany, 1916 or 17, maybe 1943 or 44. Index Funds indeed...

I Bonds are at least tied to the CPI-U and the interest is tax free if applied to any college expense...
 
I know this isn't a financial forum but to the OP; if you put that $1,000 in a good index fund, it's easy to get an 8% return over time. If you add $50 a month (less than a cell phone bill), when your child reaches 21 he'll have a little over $31,000 in the bank. Nearly $19,000 of that will be interest return on investment. Forget guns and silver. Those are sucker plays.
 
I think putting up a gun for a newborn is a fine idea. Gives you years of warm fuzies just knowing its there for him (or her) and the birthday or Xmas etc. they receive it will be a memory treasured forever. Just don't think of it as an investment.

When my son was born I bought him a 6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser sporterized by Kimber (of Oregon at the time!) for cost through an FFL friend of mine.

It sat in my safe for 12 years and when I gave it to him for his first licensed big game season it was worth about 3 to 4 times what I paid for it. Nice, but not even close to how well his college fund had done up to then. It's been his big game rifle ever since. At 16 I treated him to a new stock to replace the original cut down Ramline that I gave it to him with.

For my Daughter it was a 70s vintage Tika in .243 that I picked up, practically new, when she was born in 99 for $75.00. She's been hunting with it for 2 years now. Loves the whole "bought it for you when you were born" thing.

So I've become kind of addicted to the idea of putting up guns as future gifts. It gives me an excuse to buy guns when great deals drop into my lap for guns I don't need.

Currently, I've got a passel CMP Service Grade M1 Garands all greased up, vacuum sealed with desiccant packs and vapor wafers in long term storage for the grandchildren I'm expecting from my kids one day. Let's see their OTHER grand-pappy top that!:evil:
 
Just my opinion but you're doing him a real disservice. Buy 50 shares of GE stock or similar, that will be much better over the long run.
 
Ammo or high capacity magazines. They ain't getting cheaper. Or focus on things that are at risk for local or federal bans, like AKs and ARs and FALs... For the last 20 years, we are always only a few Senators or a President or a SCOTUS Justice away from a total gun ban (or near total gun ban). It'll be this way for the coming future. We have nearly 1/2 of our Senate as anti-gun, an anti-gun President, 4 (out of 5) anti-gun SCOTUS Judges, and a President who is nearly sure to appoint one more anti-gun Justice before his term ends in 3 years.

IMO The times of blindly putting $ into a fund and forgetting about it are long gone. And people always want to cite the *successful* funds. There are 100 unsuccessful stocks and funds for every one that is successful. Just like Las Vegas, everyone only thinks they are going to "win" or make money in Vegas and in the markets. Not true. Like Vegas, the markets have winners AND losers. The winners in the markets know what they are doing and devote lots of time and money trying to time the markets.

It's often said that a good idea has 1,000 fathers, but a bad idea is an orphan. The same holds true for investments. Heck, giants like General Motors would have failed BUT FOR a bailout. I knew of an investor that had $33,000,000. He had 1/2 of it in MCI WorldCom and 1/2 in Level 3 Communications - against advice to diversify. He made most of that money in those companies during the tech bubble of the 1990s. He also lost everything when the market collapsed. Where are those companies today? Ever heard of a company called Colt? Another failure. Companies fail.

Our markets are fraught with too much corruption, global uncertainty, market manipulation, cooked books, fake reportings, insider trading, arbitrary laws that prop up some industries etc. Wall street is full of Bernie Madhofs. Having worked in that world, I developed a TON of mistrust in anything the NASD or Fed Reserves oversees. Those 'markets' are designed to get the top people wealthy on the backs of the working poor who pour money into the markets and get run over... Sure, you may make some gains, but then get crushed when the market falls 50% in a week.
Take the Nasdaq for instance. Had you invested in the NASD in 2000, you would have bought at 4500 and it's at 4000 today, so you'd be down about 20% after 13 horribly rocky years, in which you were never in positive territory. After 13 years of having your money tied up in terrible uncertainty and huge losses, you're still down on your investment.

Take the DOW, going back to 2000, when it was about 10,000. Now granted it has gone up 1/3rd in 13 years and sits around 15000 today. However, look at the fluctuation and what you would have weathered in that time; assuming you didn't need the money or panic and pull out. Oh, and there's also taxes to pay on gains. I learned long ago the value in having a tangible object.

And NOW, times are much different; 17 Trillion debt, global wars and terrorism are regular, and our entire economy is different.

Meanwhile, over the same period, gold and silver went up 5 or 10 fold and even more at their heights. Gold was around $300 and silver around $4 an oz in 2000. Gold has recently been as high as $1900 and silver $50 an oz.

Had you dumped money into evil guns, ammo, and high cap mags at any of the low periods (like now) in the last 13 years, you could have tripled your money during a few periods in 2008, 2009, and 2012/13. I expect that more of these spikes await us.

To keep this gun related, if you want to ensure he has guns available - buy it now.

Nearly every day someone here says "I wish I would have bought XYZ when it was available..."

The writing is on the wall. Gun control is in our future. The dollar weakens faster every year with our inflation, debt, and printing, which erodes that potential "8% return" in the markets.

I'd be pouring $ into the gun stuff I think is going to be on the chopping block while you can still cheaply get it. Today, AR15s are back down to $700. AR15 mags are $9. AK47s are $600 or less. AK mags are down to $5 again. Sorry, but that's where the smart money goes. Buy cheap and stack deep my friend. We're in for some rocky times in the next decade.
 
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You were entrusted with the money for an educational fund and not to purchase firearms.

Don't violate the trust put in you. Put the money in some financial that will grow instead of buying a gun.

If you want to use your money to purchase a gun for your son, fine.
 
I have not fully read all the posts but I would say keep it for education as intended. Does Louisiana have something like a Texas Tomorrow Fund (prepaid tuition plan) for education? Starting early ensures that his collage would be paid for if in state regardless of increased cost or that the money can be used for any collage out of state in the amount available in the account.

As for the silver I would stay away from that for now. Silver has dropped over $10 this year and should continue to go down as other financial areas improve.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards
 
I know this isn't a financial forum but to the OP; if you put that $1,000 in a good index fund, it's easy to get an 8% return over time. If you add $50 a month (less than a cell phone bill), when your child reaches 21 he'll have a little over $31,000 in the bank. Nearly $19,000 of that will be interest return on investment. Forget guns and silver. Those are sucker plays.

This is excellent advice and cannot be emphasized strongly enough.

Invest something that will garner an actual return and let him buy his own guns.

Unless you can anticipate some garbage anti gun politician creating another panic, guns are a terrible "investment."

OP, are you buying an investment for your son, or are you buying something that you'd like to have in your personal arsenal?
 
I ended up just spending $1000 on my 2 y/o daughter. I have great life insurance and retirement, IRA's,etc. I could not resist buying her silver at the price it is. We bought her 40 ounces of silver in 10 ounce bars. We still had $70 left over so we put it back in her savings account. The next time we invest(her next birthday) we are going with an education IRA.
 
I've got one rule for investment, IF you can't possess it and protect it you don't own it.

Anything else relies on the full faith and credit of the system and as Dirty Harry says "are you feeling lucky"?

Guns/ammo, PM's and land everything else is a crap shoot in dying days of the Republic.
 
Guns that are getting harder to get cheaply may be better. Look at what has happened to the prices of SKSs and Mosin Nagants lately. Wonder what their value will be in 16 years?
This makes sense to me for some reason. That means its probably wrong:)
 
1)NRA Life Membership 2)Subscription to National Geographic for as many years up-front they will sell you. The NRA Lifer comes with a magazine as well and will go well toward helping secure a future in which the RKBA is preserved. Money comes and goes, but NRA Life Memberships and Nat Geo's endure and provide solid educational value as well.
 
Guns that are getting harder to get cheaply may be better. Look at what has happened to the prices of SKSs

Check the "inflation calculator": http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

My $75 SKS in 1990 would cost $129.75 today according to it. Since they sell for $300+ my SKS collection has done better than most (a bit better than 6% return) everything except all the ammo I stockpiled for my retirement ~2005.

What would $75 in the stock market in 1990 be worth today?
 
SO the real question: What firearms would be the best?

For "investing", it has to be one you're willing to sell.

But firearms are a poor investment as noted above.
 
I figure it like this...

1. Currently produced firearms are a poor investment vehicle.
2. C&R firearms are a good investment if they are being imported when you buy them, and if they will no longer be imported when you sell them. Right nowm this means buying Cz-82s, P-1s, and CMP Garands.
3. Antiques appreciate.
4. Any firearm bought as an investment must be considered expendable. Don't get attached to it.
5. Unless you know the field intimately, just put the money into a stock index fund. Mutual funds rarely outperform them.
 
My advice is to not ask a gun forum about investing advice :)

Put the money someplace safe that will gain ANY interest for now. Don't put it in a checking account or something.

Then, consider the realities of your $1000.

Your child is very, very young. That means they have a risk threshold that's through the roof! You should talk to a financial advisor about taking that $1000 and making the most use of it for return. Now, if your child when 18 decides to take some of the return from your sound investing and buys a gun, awesome. If you end up having the chance to buy them something that would be "heirloom worthy" then awesome as well. Just don't get them something now with that money. That is a precious gift to be given, so truly try to make the most of it. Don't spend the investing money on firearms.

There is no guarantee how a firearm's value will fair in the marketplace, and your chances of any decent rate of return are very slim. You have far better odds from consulting a financial advisor.

Note: I am not a financial advisor, nor do I know one. I just know enough to know that I know nothing about investing properly, especially for my own 2 year old daughter. I'm stashing money in a credit union account for her right now and eventually we'll invest that when we're comfortable.
 
The funny thing about guns is it is a much bigger gamble than traditional investments. I was just reading this afternoon on a S&W forum where people were talking about what they paid for their 3rd Gen S&Ws in 10 years ago. Many people still had receipts from the early 1990s where they were paying MORE for a 5906 than I paid for one 2 years ago. In most cases the price of a used 3rd gen S&W is less now than what they sold for new 20 years ago. If you figure inflation it is a dramatic loss in value.

The 3rd gen guns are very well respected and lots of people "collect" them. They have a cult following, yet they have lost value. They were produced in pretty big numbers (I assume) so I guess if you are going to "invest" in guns, make sure you look for something that is not produced in high numbers.
 
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